Chiefs Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help - Page 23

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10:48 PM

Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7?

Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?

Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs?

Do you hate wide receivers?

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position?

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14?

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft?

Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much?

Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need?

Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores?

Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure?

Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet?

Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator?

Do you think that reaction is safer than action?

Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us?

Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]?

Do you prefer tailgating to Championships?

Do you fear the unknown?

Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense?

Do you believe that the run sets up the pass?

Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college?

Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage?

If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football.

Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge:

After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games.

If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately.

We're here to help.

Sincerely,

The ChiefsPlanet Clinic

**Rain Man** · 12-21-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Amazingly rare would seem to indicate a once every five year prospect. Please though, continue on this semantic distraction while you formulate another 300 response poll, though.

And would I want us to lose this year for a higher draft pick even if Stafford weren't there? Hell yes. This team needs ****ing playmakers, not Rocky Boiman and Wade Smith

Cool. He's a once-per-five-years project. I just wanted to know.

Serious question. If Stafford isn't there, do you still want to draft a QB with that spot? I don't know that prospects well enough to express an opinion yet, but it'll sure be disappointing if we have a top-three pick and there's no worthy prospect available.

**the Talking Can** · 12-21-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

So, assuming Stafford is gone, which he probably will be, you are saying the Chiefs are better off this year to have the #2 pick and to reach for one of those guys?

yes, we get a higher pick in every round...think Flowers...think how many times a player we wanted was taken just ahead of us?

**doomy3** · 12-21-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yes, we get a higher pick in every round...think Flowers...think how many times a player we wanted was taken just ahead of us?

Right, but specific to the first round, what do you think? It seems when teams miss on top 5 picks or have to overpay on a reach that it sets them back a lot of times.

Hamas has stated several times he is against a trade to drop down a few slots, even if that means adding some more good talent in this or next draft.

And it always stems from waning "Elite Playmakers." My question is if there aren't really any of those other than Stafford, and there are several guys like Mays, Orakpo, Oher, etc that could be had a little later, wouldn't it make sense to try to move back?

Mecca · 12-21-2008, 07:22 PM

The odds of being able to trade out of a top 5 pick is very very slim, unless you are willing to take less than what your pick is worth.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-21-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

So, assuming Stafford is gone, which he probably will be, you are saying the Chiefs are better off this year to have the #2 pick and to reach for one of those guys?

You are assuming that

A) Stafford is gone
B) Orakpo won't have a top 5 grade
C) That picking 34 instead of 37 has no value.

**doomy3** · 12-21-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The odds of being able to trade out of a top 5 pick is very very slim, unless you are willing to take less than what your pick is worth.

I'm just asking if a team did want to, and say we could drop to 10 and get value for the pick we were giving up, would you want to this year?

**Rain Man** · 12-21-2008, 07:25 PM

My theory is that the top five picks are overvalued in the draft charts. I could be wrong, but I think that NFL draft chart was originally put together by the Cowboys decades ago. I think the fact that so few organizations make trades out of that spot means that those artificial values are set too high.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-21-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Cool. He's a once-per-five-years project. I just wanted to know.

Serious question. If Stafford isn't there, do you still want to draft a QB with that spot? I don't know that prospects well enough to express an opinion yet, but it'll sure be disappointing if we have a top-three pick and there's no worthy prospect available.

There are no other QBs worth a top 15 pick to me in this year's class, unless Mark Sanchez declares. I wouldn't be happy with us spending 3 on him, but I wouldn't be furious.

My personal wants for the Chiefs this year are:

1 Stafford
2 Orakpo
3 Maualuga/Mays

We'll get one of the first two. There's no way St. Louis passes on both a QB and a LT. They'll take one or the other. The real no man's land for us is 4-5, and we are guaranteed top three, so we're good.

And FTR, he's a once every five year type QB. Just like Mario Williams is a once-in-every-five-year type DE and Adrian Peterson a RB, Sean Taylor a S, and Patrick Willis a Mike Backer.

**the Talking Can** · 12-21-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Right, but specific to the first round, what do you think? It seems when teams miss on top 5 picks or have to overpay on a reach that it sets them back a lot of times.

Hamas has stated several times he is against a trade to drop down a few slots, even if that means adding some more good talent in this or next draft.

And it always stems from waning "Elite Playmakers." My question is if there aren't really any of those other than Stafford, and there are several guys like Mays, Orakpo, Oher, etc that could be had a little later, wouldn't it make sense to try to move back?

not to sound flippant, but i don't really care about Clark's money...we have a ridiculous amount of cap space, and it goes up every year..as long as you aren't signing lots of vets to long term contracts the cap shouldn't be much of an issue...

i don't know who the next best player is...i haven't watched any of the DE's, so your guess is as good as mine...I've watched Mays and think he is bad ass, but at #2? that's tough...i wouldn't be averse to moving down 2-3 spots, but how often does someone trade for the #2 if it isn't a QB?

in the end, you probably just pick some one and let Clark's bank account worry about it...

**Rain Man** · 12-21-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There are no other QBs worth a top 15 pick to me in this year's class, unless Mark Sanchez declares. I wouldn't be happy with us spending 3 on him, but I wouldn't be furious.

My personal wants for the Chiefs this year are:

1 Stafford
2 Orakpo
3 Maualuga/Mays

We'll get one of the first two. There's no way St. Louis passes on both a QB and a LT. They'll take one or the other. The real no man's land for us is 4-5, and we are guaranteed top three, so we're good.

The good news is that DE and MLB are positions of crying need.

I'd really hate to spend a top pick on a MLB, but then again I'm sure tired of seeing us get destroyed up the middle.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-21-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

The good news is that DE and MLB are positions of crying need.

I'd really hate to spend a top pick on a MLB, but then again I'm sure tired of seeing us get destroyed up the middle.

We're not drafting a MLB. It's going to be a QB or RDE, barring something batshit insane happening.

**Rain Man** · 12-21-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

not to sound flippant, but i don't really care about Clark's money...we have a ridiculous amount of cap space, and it goes up every year..as long as you aren't signing lots of vets to long term contracts the cap shouldn't be much of an issue...

i don't know who the next best player is...i haven't watched any of the DE's, so your guess is as good as mine...I've watched Mays and think he is bad ass, but at #2? that's tough...i wouldn't be averse to moving down 2-3 spots, but how often does someone trade for the #2 if it isn't a QB?

in the end, you probably just pick some one and let Clark's bank account worry about it...

The challenge is that players are going to get taken ahead of you if you trade down. Like you, I really don't care about Clark's money, so I'd rather have the second-best player in the draft than the fifth-best and the 50th-best or whatever. I'd rather have dense concentrations of talent than breadth of talent.

**the Talking Can** · 12-21-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The challenge is that players are going to get taken ahead of you if you trade down. Like you, I really don't care about Clark's money, so I'd rather have the second-best player in the draft than the fifth-best and the 50th-best or whatever. I'd rather have dense concentrations of talent than breadth of talent.

yeah, ultimately i want the best player we can get even we are perceived to have over paid based on draft position....

we can fill out the roster with the rest of the draft, first round is for finding stars...

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-23-2008, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We're not drafting a MLB. It's going to be a QB or RDE, barring something batshit insane happening.

I said this before Clark wants a primetime QB, and thus getting a a new regime that will draft him one.

Reerun_KC · 12-23-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I said this before Clark wants a primetime QB, and thus getting a a new regime that will draft him one.

That makes me very happy!

12-17-2008, 04:09 PM
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