Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 24

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

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Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

Inspector · 01-14-2010, 02:06 PM

When the Chiefs win a superbowl, I'm gonna gripe about the ring not being shiny enough.

If I'm still alive by then, that is.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-14-2010, 02:07 PM

Roosevelt Colvin.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Roosevelt Colvin.

You're right Hamas. The Pats are horrible at managing their roster.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Because he obviously knew that it would take more than one season with a bunch of scrubs to find out if he was the guy or not. Pioli had no idea what kind of season Cassel would have with these guys. If he replicated his #s in NE, then he would have had to face tagging him again, or signing him to the kind of contract he's in now, only a year later. At first, I thought he should have waited, but now it seems like he did the right thing, because Cassel gets two years to prove his worth, and the team has an "out" after that. Looks pretty damn smart to me now.

So your saying, worst case scenario is him replicating his NE numbers, and we eventually pay him what were paying him now?

Versus waiting, and paying him what he actually deserved if he didn't, or flat-out releasing him?

Thanks for making my point for me.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-14-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Misguided?

My frustration is right where it belongs, aimed right at Scott Pioli.

It's not Cassel's fault Pioli not only traded a valuable pick for him, but is forking over Elite QB-type dollars.

Just like it's not Tyson Jackson's fault that Pioli took him half a round higher than his talent dictated, putting the kid in the unenviable position of never living up to his draft slot.

PIOLI made these decisions.

I wouldn't call Tyson's position unenviable. Heh, you can call me whatever the **** you want for that kind of scratch. Especially if I knew I wasn't worth it. I know what you were saying, but I couldn't help but throw that in.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Adalius Thomas.

Duh Cap Hit Duh

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-14-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

You're right Hamas. The Pats are horrible at managing their roster.

Let's play the hasty generalization game!!

And you wonder why people are dismissive with you.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-14-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Duh Cap Hit Duh

Teams generally make near cap casualties defensive captains.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So your saying, worst case scenario is him replicating his NE numbers, and we eventually pay him what were paying him now?

Versus waiting, and paying him what he actually deserved if he didn't, or flat-out releasing him?

Thanks for making my point for me.

Even if he put up the #s he did this season, he still got his franchise tender.

So what is his cap # for 2010?

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-14-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I hope your right about the two year deal, but I'd be shocked if Pioli cut him after 2010. If that thought had ever entered his mind, there would have been no reason to sign him to a long-term deal. He could have played this year under the tag, and we could have been done with him.

And FWIW, the QB is the most important position on the field, so contract/contributions are much more heavily weighed regarding QB's.

Here's what made it a decent deal. It's front heavy, and Cassel was guaranteed that money regardless due to the franchise tag.

Let's say Pioli leaves that tag, and then tags him again this year to give him a 2 year deal. He still makes the same amount of money, but then Scott has to negotiate a deal with him afterwards should he light the world on fire. Then it costs us big time.

This way, if he falls on his face he makes the same scratch, gets cut, and we're in the same boat. If on the other hand he does very well, then we have him on the cheap for the next 2-3 years before he cries to renegotiate.

I can understand the business sense of the deal. We all know where I stand on Cassel though.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Let's play the hasty generalization game!!

And you wonder why people are dismissive with you.

YOU are dismissive with me.
And in case you haven't noticed, I just push your buttons anymore.
I have ceased to give a shit about your opinion.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Here's what made it a decent deal. It's front heavy, and Cassel was guaranteed that money regardless due to the franchise tag.

Let's say Pioli leaves that tag, and then tags him again this year to give him a 2 year deal. He still makes the same amount of money, but then Scott has to negotiate a deal with him afterwards should he light the world on fire. Then it costs us big time.

This way, if he falls on his face he makes the same scratch, gets cut, and we're in the same boat. If on the other hand he does very well, then we have him on the cheap for the next 2-3 years before he cries to renegotiate.

I can understand the business sense of the deal. We all know where I stand on Cassel though.

Three problems with that.

One, your assuming we'd use the tag on him again.

Two, I don't see how he'd get any bigger of a contract later, even if he played well. Again, he's currently getting paid as a Top 4 QB. Really not anywhere to go.

Three, your assuming he'll get cut when/if he sucks in 2010.

I don't see $15M a year as "getting him on the cheap."

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Here's what made it a decent deal. It's front heavy, and Cassel was guaranteed that money regardless due to the franchise tag.

Let's say Pioli leaves that tag, and then tags him again this year to give him a 2 year deal. He still makes the same amount of money, but then Scott has to negotiate a deal with him afterwards should he light the world on fire. Then it costs us big time.

This way, if he falls on his face he makes the same scratch, gets cut, and we're in the same boat. If on the other hand he does very well, then we have him on the cheap for the next 2-3 years before he cries to renegotiate.

I can understand the business sense of the deal. We all know where I stand on Cassel though.

That's because you don't think with hatred.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-14-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

YOU are dismissive with me.
And in case you haven't noticed, I just push your buttons anymore.
I have ceased to give a shit about your opinion.

Yet you continue to respond to me and reply sarcastically whenever your moronic assertions are proven false.

Funny how that works, eh?

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Two problems with that.

One, your assuming we'd use the tag on him again.

Two, I don't see how he'd get any bigger of a contract later, even if he played well. Again, he's currently getting paid as a Top 4 QB. Really not anywhere to go.

I don't see $15M a year as "getting him on the cheap."

Is he really making $15mil next season?

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $960478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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