Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 26

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

FringeNC · 01-14-2010, 02:44 PM

When's the last time we've had a competent OC and DC at the same time? I think we do now.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

OTW knows more about football than I do. And I didn't like the Cassel trade either. He's a little more zealous about it than I am, but honestly, not by much.

Make no mistake about it, he just wants this team to win. I'm confident he'll be the first person to eat his words and exclaim his happiness should he be wrong. Nothing indicates to this point that he is.

I don't take sides in these little board battles that go on, but I'm confident in my assessment of OTW. I've talked with him many times about this stuff.

This isn't a shot at saccopoo either. I totally agree with the rationale of the deal. I just didn't like that it was made in the first place. I'm just clarifying for a friend who isn't here to do it himself right now.

Thanks, I appreciate it. But it doesn't matter.

People think what they want to think. It's easier to debate the poster than the posts themselves.

stevieray · 01-14-2010, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

OTW knows more about football than I do. And I didn't like the Cassel trade either. He's a little more zealous about it than I am, but honestly, not by much.

Make no mistake about it, he just wants this team to win. I'm confident he'll be the first person to eat his words and exclaim his happiness should he be wrong. Nothing indicates to this point that he is.

I don't take sides in these little board battles that go on, but I'm confident in my assessment of OTW. I've talked with him many times about this stuff.

This isn't a shot at saccopoo either. I totally agree with the rationale of the deal. I just didn't like that it was made in the first place. I'm just clarifying for a friend who isn't here to do it himself right now.

sorry, saying you suck eleventy billion times then saying I was wrong, let's celebrate is weak sauce, IMO.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

OTW knows more about football than I do. And I didn't like the Cassel trade either. He's a little more zealous about it than I am, but honestly, not by much.

Make no mistake about it, he just wants this team to win. I'm confident he'll be the first person to eat his words and exclaim his happiness should he be wrong. Nothing indicates to this point that he is.

I don't take sides in these little board battles that go on, but I'm confident in my assessment of OTW. I've talked with him many times about this stuff.

This isn't a shot at saccopoo either. I totally agree with the rationale of the deal. I just didn't like that it was made in the first place. I'm just clarifying for a friend who isn't here to do it himself right now.

I totally agree when it comes to OTW. Some others though, not so much.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-14-2010, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

sorry, saying you suck eleventy billion times then saying I was wrong, let's celebrate is weak sauce, IMO.

I think there is some overkill on both sides of the fence on CP, but if no one had differing opinions, CP wouldn't be what it is IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I totally agree when it comes to OTW. Some others though, not so much.

Let's look at Mecca. I don't think Mecca hates the Chiefs. I just think all this ineptitude has ruined his fandom. Let this franchise experience some real success and I'll bet he's right back on board and goes from one of the most hated Chiefs fans to one of the most beloved. He's a smart dude as well. No doubt the guy is bitter about this franchise though. Again, JMO.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

sorry, saying you suck eleventy billion times then saying I was wrong, let's celebrate is weak sauce, IMO.

Versus being an unrealistic cheerleader who has been wrong for years, celebrating when they are finally right?

This isn't a new phenomenon, FFS.

When Carl made mistakes, this place called him on it. And most people RARELY were willing to admit when good things were done.

Nothing has changed for some of us, who don't live in a world of unicorns and rainbows, HOPING that things will get better. We want to see EVIDENCE that things will get better.

Again, FTR, I'm happy with the Weis hire, and content with the Crennel hire. At the VERY WORST, they SHOULD help improve the talent evaluation at Arrowhead.

But until that happens, I'm not going to get excited, just because they have a few SB rings. DV had a ring. It meant nothing.

SHOW ME, and when the organization does something I think is wise, they'll get commended for it. And when they do things I think are unwise, I'll criticize.

It's really that easy.

Frosty · 01-14-2010, 02:56 PM

I was one of those that really wanted to draft Sanchez and thought it was a mistake to trade for Cassel. I still believe both of those things.

That said, I couldn't give a crap about Cassel's contract. It isn't my money. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me that it's front loaded to get the cap number up over the minimum last year.

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 02:56 PM

This is reminiscent of last year, around the draft.

DBOSHO · 01-14-2010, 02:57 PM

Lol i just read on the patriots forum that the pats fans are in an uproar about randy moss saying after the playoff loss that he was "stackin bread"

he might be stackin bread but he aint cakn patna.

Saccopoo · 01-14-2010, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

OTW knows more about football than I do. And I didn't like the Cassel trade either. He's a little more zealous about it than I am, but honestly, not by much.

Make no mistake about it, he just wants this team to win. I'm confident he'll be the first person to eat his words and exclaim his happiness should he be wrong. Nothing indicates to this point that he is.

I don't take sides in these little board battles that go on, but I'm confident in my assessment of OTW. I've talked with him many times about this stuff.

This isn't a shot at saccopoo either. I totally agree with the rationale of the deal. I just didn't like that it was made in the first place. I'm just clarifying for a friend who isn't here to do it himself right now.

I like OTW as well. I think he's been a bit over the top on this one ever since it happened though because of the potential of getting a guy like Sanchez in the draft. (Which I would have had no problem with either, but Cassel and Vrabel for a second seemed a better alternative to a rookie QB with a first at the time - at least to me. I wasn't thrilled with the Jackson pick, but we needed help at that position at that time as well. I thought it was about as good as we could have done at that point and still consider it to be a decent transaction now.)

I don't see Cassel having a top ten season next year either, but there should be marked improvements. Still way too many holes on the roster, even with an 80% hit draft this time around. There's no way that we'll be able to get improvements at TE and WR in totality with all of the other glaring holes on this roster considering the players in this draft. (C, OL, S, ILB, OLB)

If he hits 3500, 60%, 25 TD, 15 Int, 75 rating with Charles having a full season like he did in the last eight games, I'll be pleased as punch.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I think there is some overkill on both sides of the fence on CP, but if no one had differing opinions, CP wouldn't be what it is IMO.

Seriously, I think most people would be better suited for a place like WPI or the Coalition, where you can't even suggest painting the organization and their decisions in a negative light.

They just sit around all day and talk about how great things are going to be, with no explanation as to how the franchise is going to get there, other than blind faith.

Rainbows, ice cream, puppies and unicorns, FTMFW.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I like OTW as well. I think he's been a bit over the top on this one ever since it happened though because of the potential of getting a guy like Sanchez in the draft. (Which I would have had no problem with either, but Cassel and Vrabel for a second seemed a better alternative to a rookie QB with a first at the time - at least to me. I wasn't thrilled with the Jackson pick, but we needed help at that position at that time as well. I thought it was about as good as we could have done at that point and still consider it to be a decent transaction now.)

I don't see Cassel having a top ten season next year either, but there should be marked improvements. Still way too many holes on the roster, even with an 80% hit draft this time around. There's no way that we'll be able to get improvements at TE and WR in totality with all of the other glaring holes on this roster considering the players in this draft. (C, OL, S, ILB, OLB)

If he hits 3500, 60%, 25 TD, 15 Int, 75 rating with Charles having a full season like he did in the last eight games, I'll be pleased as punch.

The opinions I've expressed have nothing to do with passing on Sanchez.

I don't know how to make that any clearer.

You can choose to believe it, or not.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arc

I was one of those that really wanted to draft Sanchez and thought it was a mistake to trade for Cassel. I still believe both of those things.

That said, I couldn't give a crap about Cassel's contract. It isn't my money. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me that it's front loaded to get the cap number up over the minimum last year.

They were still under the salary floor during the season. Taking on Chambers contract mid-season may have put them over the mark, but even then, I'm not sure.

Nothing has been mentioned lately.

Inspector · 01-14-2010, 03:03 PM

With Weiss and Crennel in town, Whitlock will have some competition for KC BBQ.

I bet that's why those guys came here - for some Gates and Bryants.

Frosty · 01-14-2010, 03:05 PM

What was Cassel's signing bonus?

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $930478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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