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Kylo Ren · 08:51 AM

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Mark Cassell sucks!

aturnis · 08-14-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsDJ56

You failed to mention that part about the scrubs on defense that he was playing against as well. My point is to say that you can't compare the QBs based on their performaince in a pre-season game because they are playing with and against different levels of players. I hope Stanzi turns out to be the next Montana, but the fact that he can't beat out Brady freakin Quin for the backup role tells me that he is nowhere near as good as Cassel.

The defense doesn't matter so much. The way he operates in the pocket, his decisions and whether or not the ball went where it was supposed to go is what at is important. Outside of that, you can't worry about whether a ball was completed or not, just whether the receiver should have caught a dropped pass or not.

You can't get into, a #1 defender this or that. He threw the ball to where he threw it b/c there was no way the defender was in position to catch it. Same as for the receiver, the only variable you can accurately predict is that our #1 receiving group has MUCH better hands than our #3's.

O.city · 08-14-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Yes, a #1 corner would do a better job of pushing Newsome out.

But Newsome is not Bowe/Baldwin.

Still not sure how the wr getting pushed out not getting two feet in, makes it a bad throw?

Great Expectations · 08-14-2012, 01:53 PM

Yep, our number one guys don't drop passes.

Black Bob · 08-14-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

The defense doesn't matter so much. The way he operates in the pocket, his decisions and whether or not the ball went where it was supposed to go is what at is important. Outside of that, you can't worry about whether a ball was completed or not, just whether the receiver should have caught a dropped pass or not.

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Alright man, you've officially lost it. You are walking the line between fan and stalker. Isn't the ability to read a defense the main attribute when measuring pocket presence?

Great Expectations · 08-14-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Still not sure how the wr getting pushed out not getting two feet in, makes it a bad throw?

What makes it a bad throw was the timing. The WR had to wait on the ball giving the CB an easy play to push him out. If you are going to throw it late in that situation the ball has to be thrown more on the outside shoulder.

-King- · 08-14-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Watch the games, and don't form your opinions based only on the stat line.

I wasn't forming an opinion. Just correcting him. I'm not a Cassel fan at all, but there's a big difference between 90% and 44%.

-King- · 08-14-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Yes, a #1 corner would do a better job of pushing Newsome out.

But Newsome is not Bowe/Baldwin.

So how would Bowe and Baldwin manage to get 2 feet in? They would get pushed out too.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-14-2012, 01:57 PM

The what if game is reeruned. He didn't complete the passes end of story. He played with scrubs, but was also facing them. The straight drops suck, but get out of here with this crap.

ChiefsDJ56 · 08-14-2012, 01:57 PM

It feels like we are all wasting our breath. People who hate Cassel and love Stanzi will never back down, and people who actually understand football and realize that Cassel is the better QB will not back down. What matters this year is who is the better QB right now, not who has the highest upside. They need to win this year and they have a chance of doing that with Cassel. No chance of winning this year with Stanzi. He is a project.

Direckshun · 08-14-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Still not sure how the wr getting pushed out not getting two feet in, makes it a bad throw?

Right.

aturnis · 08-14-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations

I should have been more specific, I was talking about the one that was short.

I thought comparing him to Cassel would rule out overthrowing somebody.

That underthrown deep ball was as good as the best deep ball Cassel has ever completed!

-King- · 08-14-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

That underthrown deep ball was as good as the best deep ball Cassel has ever completed!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-m...ling-Chiefs-TD

aturnis · 08-14-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

One? I counted three underthrows and an overthrow.

And no, the pass to Newsome would NOT have been a TD despite what aturnis and Boss are saying. Newsome was pushed out. Unless Bowe or Baldwin have some magical force that prevents them from being pushed out while in the air, the same thing would have happened to them too. Especially against a starting corner.

One underthrown (deepball 40yds downfield), one overthrow (other deepball 40 yds downfield) and one pass under heavy pressure into the dirt(smart play).

Direckshun · 08-14-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

So how would Bowe and Baldwin manage to get 2 feet in? They would get pushed out too.

1. They'd probably get better positioning before they left the ground.

2. They're a lot bigger (Newsome is 6'1, 200).

3. They're much more physical.

4. They can track the ball better.

5. They are more acrobatic.

-King- · 08-14-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Still not sure how the wr getting pushed out not getting two feet in, makes it a bad throw?

It wasn't a BAD throw. It was just an incompletion. My beef is with the people who think it would be a TD with Bowe/Baldwin.

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