Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs

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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

If he hits 3500, 60%, 25 TD, 15 Int, 75 rating

Wait, what?

The numbers you've described would equal out to an 85 QB rating.

But you'd be happy with 75?

Which one is it?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Seriously, I think most people would be better suited for a place like WPI or the Coalition, where you can't even suggest painting the organization and their decisions in a negative light.

They just sit around all day and talk about how great things are going to be, with no explanation as to how the franchise is going to get there, other than blind faith.

Rainbows, ice cream, puppies and unicorns, FTMFW.

I don't disagree with you on that. I also think that there is a large contingent of people who get tired of hearing the same negative talking points over and over again. It's a lot easier to listen to the same things when they're positive and filled with hope.

Now, in no way am I laying blame at your feet, or anyone else's. I'm just saying it's a 2 way street. There is overkill on both sides of it.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The opinions I've expressed have nothing to do with passing on Sanchez.

I don't know how to make that any clearer.

You can choose to believe it, or not.

I'm using Sanchez as a place holder at this point. Apparently, you didn't like giving up a second rounder for a QB and a proven LB, and then the Chiefs providing a contract to previously mentioned QB. I don't think that they could have done any better considering the players on the board and the teams needs. You obviously feel different.

I'm sorry if I associated your Cassel disdain with an affinity for the Sanchize.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Wait, what?

The numbers you've described would equal out to an 85 QB rating.

But you'd be happy with 75?

Which one is it?

Sorry there Confucius. I didn't have my abacus out at the time to crunch those hypotheticals.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Versus being an unrealistic cheerleader who has been wrong for years, celebrating when they are finally right?

This isn't a new phenomenon, FFS.

When Carl made mistakes, this place called him on it. And most people RARELY were willing to admit when good things were done.

Nothing has changed for some of us, who don't live in a world of unicorns and rainbows, HOPING that things will get better. We want to see EVIDENCE that things will get better.

Again, FTR, I'm happy with the Weis hire, and content with the Crennel hire. At the VERY WORST, they SHOULD help improve the talent evaluation at Arrowhead.

But until that happens, I'm not going to get excited, just because they have a few SB rings. DV had a ring. It meant nothing.

SHOW ME, and when the organization does something I think is wise, they'll get commended for it. And when they do things I think are unwise, I'll criticize.

It's really that easy.

Everyone wants to see evidence of the Chiefs improving. What differentiates you from most posters is the presumption of incompetence of Scott Pioli because he doesn't do what Walter Football thinks he should do. Most of the rest of us aren't arrogant enough to presume we know more about building a winning franchise than Scott Pioli.

I know where you're coming from, though. I thought Dayton Moore's anti-Moneyball approach was doomed from the start, and it certainly appears that is the case. I just think football is fundamentally different from baseball in the since of team production. Obviously, a lot of Pioli's vision is built around the concept of the right 53 instead of the best 53. I know it's often ridiculed as a meaningless catch phrase, but I don't think so because of the team production thing. I just don't understand how some can be so confident that Pioli is in over his head, and that this "right 53" is a joke. How many of the other terrible teams from last year improved (2 wins) more than us?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I don't disagree with you on that. I also think that there is a large contingent of people who get tired of hearing the same negative talking points over and over again. It's a lot easier to listen to the same things when they're positive and filled with hope.

Now, in no way am I laying blame at your feet, or anyone else's. I'm just saying it's a 2 way street. There is overkill on both sides of it.

No different than hearing the same claims of progress and success without anything backing said claims.

It absolutely goes both ways.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Sorry there Confucius. I didn't have my abacus out at the time to crunch those hypotheticals.

You could try answering the question.

A 75 QB rating shouldn't satisfy anyone.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No different than hearing the same claims of progress and success without anything backing said claims.

It absolutely goes both ways.

That said, I'm a skeptic. And again, I feel we have every ****ing right to be. Missouri is the Show Me state right?

[pkane]

Originally Posted by BossChief

He was my third choice for DC and I am happy because he is an upgrade over Clancy, but his defenses weren't statistically dominant.
Honestly, we need to have a homerun draft to get these guys some good talent to work with and develop. We also need a few veterans that can play to make this things work.

If these guys dont have the horses, they wont succeed. Coaches make a difference, but the players win/lose the games.

In one of the Patriots SB years the defense avg. 14 points a game and had 3 shutouts.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

You could try answering the question.

A 75 QB rating shouldn't satisfy anyone.

Man, you are pissy today. What happened? Did Mom run out of Frosted Flakes?

After looking at the numbers, a 85 rating would be perfectly acceptable from Cassel all things considered.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Man, you are pissy today. What happened? Did Mom run out of Frosted Flakes?

What the **** is this bullshit? Go **** yourself. Did I attack you?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

What the **** is this bullshit? Go **** yourself. Did I attack you?

Yeesh.

[Hammock Parties]

Thanks for bringing something worthwhile to the dicussion.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by BossChief View Post
He was my third choice for DC and I am happy because he is an upgrade over Clancy, but his defenses weren't statistically dominant.

2001 - points allowed - 6th in the league
2002 - points allowed 17th
2003 - points allowed 1st
2004 - points allowed 2nd

So what the **** are you talking about?????????

[SDChiefs]

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

Exatly. I just don't get the hang up everyone has with the salary. They could have paid hime $10M and it wouldn't have changed anything. Tickets wouldn't be cheaper, conessions wouldn't be cheaper, he wouldn't have played different....

We paid market price for a commodity. It all comes back to some people just needing to bitch about everything. We paid market price - BOO. CP always tried to low ball players - BOO. It's not my money - I don't care what Hunt pays the players.

Market price? Name another backup that makes 15MM a year. JaMarcus? Rodgers has proven to be a great starter. As has Romo, Manning, Rivers so on and so forth. Cassel hasn't. There is no way in hell he should be making the same amount of money that the afore mentioned QBs are. Don't use Russell as an excuse either. We all know Al Davis is an idiot.