Chiefs Weiss to the Gators in 2011 (confirmed) - Page 27

Sure-Oz · 01:33 PM

ESPN: Weis may not return to KC in 2011. Gainesville Sun's Dooley: Weis may land w/ Gators as OC. http://bit.ly/i013yB 2 minutes ago via TweetDeck

from sportsbybrooks twitter...

edit:link works

Highlights:Weiss could leave soon to become the Gators OC possibly as early as sunday or monday, and Mcdaniels could replace him.

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Originally Posted by haydenchiefs101

mortreport Chris Mortensen
Filed to ESPN and as Gainesville Sun's Pat Dooley suggested, Charlie Weis is likely bound for Univ. of Florida as offensive coordinator

ChiefsCountry · 12-31-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

yes...we COULD HAVE taken Brees (19 picks early) with that pick we gave the Rams...but that is total hindsight and Brees was SO BAD at first the Chargers took Eli Manning (and flipped him for Rivers) while Brees was under contract...

How is that hindsight when Vermeil's ****ing draft notes from 2001 showed Brees at the top of our draft board?

Brock · 12-31-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chief52

Do not think that is how it works...

You think that an NFL coach cannot coach football anywhere if he wants out of the NFL? Give me one example of this ever happening.

Hootie · 12-31-2010, 03:34 PM

you all might as well give up on Sanchez...

that dude is not going to work out

I want everyone to bookmark this post, too...because I bet in 3 years it won't be getting bumped.

**Reaper16** · 12-31-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

you all might as well give up on Sanchez...

that dude is not going to work out

I want everyone to bookmark this post, too...because I bet in 3 years it won't be getting bumped.

Sure it will. You'll bump it. And you ought to.

ChiefsCountry · 12-31-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chief52

Sanchez was not considered a "universally respected" 1st round prospect Some thought so...many, many others did not. Thank god the Chiefs were smart enough not to go that route.

He just went in the top 5 but he wasn't a first round prospect? Damn people are stupid.

Hootie · 12-31-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

How is that hindsight when Vermeil's ****ing draft notes from 2001 showed Brees at the top of our draft board?

even if this is true (and I have no idea)

are we forgetting Brees' first years in San Diego where he was so bad that they gave up on him and drafted Eli Manning?

???

??????

the fact of the matter is...we traded for Green...he played pro bowl caliber football for us...and the Rams got Damione Lewis out of it.

booger · 12-31-2010, 03:37 PM

I'd rather see him stick around but would understand the move from a personal and family standpoint. For a guy in his health it would be like a semi retirement. He's had a rough year with the gall bladder operation and the knee getting wrecked before camp. In the introductory presser with Weiss, Haley, Crennel, and Emmitt Thomas, Romeo joked that the coaches needed to lose weight like the players did in the first year when Haley and Pioli came in.

I could see Weis taking Bernie Parmalee with him to be in line to replace him when he does retire or atleast be in position to if the cards fell that way. Parmalee moved up to the booth early on as he was on the sidelines. Might not be much involved there. I just remember pre season he was actually helping Hoffman coach ST's and doing opening kick huddle breakdowns and then sitting in the booth next to weis.

So if true i'd say its a combo of his health and wanting to coach under less stressful situation during the end of his career. The timing sucks but they always do in these situations with playoff teams.

Big credit to Weis for Cassel's development. With the players both new and the strides some have made plus hopefully additional help on the way next year i don't see too much reason to lose hope. With Cassel Haley is going to want to make it as painless as possible. I don't see a promotion from within.

Greg Oleson the oc of the Bucs could be available and Haley has had interest in him before as they worked together in Chicago. There was some article out i don't know where now that said the GM and entire coaching staff and front office all have expiring contracts after this season and don't know their futures as the Glazers are waiting on CBA talks. So just a maybe for Oleson but IMO he would be high on Haley's wish list. Tampa fired Jeff Jagodinzski within days/a week or so after Gailey got canned in fear KC would ask permission to hire him even though the season was close and it would be a rare situation. On the other hand Jagodinszki was fired to because his apparent ineptness as an OC and the only thing he seemed to be able to do was install a zone blocking scheme for the OL. Oleson was already doing most of the work as QB coach.

Rob Chudzinksi was with Romeo in Cleveland as OC and now back in SD as Asst hc and TE's. Jeff Davidson the Panthers OC is another Weis pupil and will likely be available as John Fox's contract runs out after the season and it would be very safe to assume so does davidsons. No really direct connection to haley with those two just from Weis and running similar offenses.

Throw Brian Daboll the Browns OC in that mix as Mangini has a good chance of getting canned next week and holmgren won't need a Weis/Pats former QB coach in Daboll. He has made clear before this season that he let them run their offense and it isn't anything to do with the west coast offense he runs.

I don't see Grimm as a possibillity. He is more from the Cowher tree and could possibly be the next Panthers HC if Cowher doesn't take the job.

McDaniels would be great for Cassel but i would be worried about Josh's reputation since getting a HC job running people off and generally doesn't seem to be liked and how good of a fit he would be in that way. If that's what they do i'm sure it would be clear cut and hatchet burried as any major risk would be a stupid choice for a guy like Haley in his situation being on such an upswing if he couldn't trust or get along or distrupt cohesion of the staff by adding a guy like that. On the other hand maybe getting fired has humbled McDipshit who knows? Damn i sure liked teasing that pony riding piss ant.

Now i may have to pull for him next season. Such is life in the NFL i guess.

It wouldn't suprise me though in the least to see Haley just go with a system guy, like minded and experienced in the offense with one of the others listed and not McD. With Romeo, Haley can still heavily influence like he still does i assume and not worry about having to control a guy like McD if they just aren't a match.

I could see Sirriani promoted to QB coach as that is basically part of his duties now. He is a Haley hand picked youngster and I think he slowly wants to groom him to possibly be OC someday.

The timing of all of this sure does suck though.

chief52 · 12-31-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

You really think Sanchez wouldn't have gone in the 1st round?

Sanchez vs Cassel now? That's an interesting question. Sanchez still has more upside and is younger, but Cassel is showing things that I never thought I'd see from him. Before the Denver game, it'd be a no-brainier for Sanchez. Now? It depends how far out you think your team is from contending. For the current Chiefs team, who wants to have its running game carry the day and its QB not turn the ball over, the Cassel from Arizona-on is the better option.

I did not think he was good enough to use a number one pick on and sited lots of others that felt the same way at the time. Not saying I know it all because I am sure there are more times when I am wrong. I feel I was right on Sanchez. Do not feel he was first round material and feel the Jets reached for him. He has not impressed me much so far.

Did not know what to think of Cassel at the time. Now I am very happy the Chiefs have Cassel and not Sanchez. The Chiefs would not be in the playoffs with Sanchez I do not believe.

chief52 · 12-31-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

He just went in the top 5 but he wasn't a first round prospect? Damn people are stupid.

Maybe you ought to read a little closer before you start calling people stupid.

I will glady accept your apology once you have slowed down and read what was typed because I have never had an issue with you.

You are very welcome.

-King- · 12-31-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

I'd rather see him stick around but would understand the move from a personal and family standpoint. For a guy in his health it would be like a semi retirement. He's had a rough year with the gall bladder operation and the knee getting wrecked before camp. In the introductory presser with Weiss, Haley, Crennel, and Emmitt Thomas, Romeo joked that the coaches needed to lose weight like the players did in the first year when Haley and Pioli came in.

I could see Weis taking Bernie Parmalee with him to be in line to replace him when he does retire or atleast be in position to if the cards fell that way. Parmalee moved up to the booth early on as he was on the sidelines. Might not be much involved there. I just remember pre season he was actually helping Hoffman coach ST's and doing opening kick huddle breakdowns and then sitting in the booth next to weis.

So if true i'd say its a combo of his health and wanting to coach under less stressful situation during the end of his career. The timing sucks but they always do in these situations with playoff teams.

Big credit to Weis for Cassel's development. With the players both new and the strides some have made plus hopefully additional help on the way next year i don't see too much reason to lose hope. With Cassel Haley is going to want to make it as painless as possible. I don't see a promotion from within.

Greg Oleson the oc of the Bucs could be available and Haley has had interest in him before as they worked together in Chicago. There was some article out i don't know where now that said the GM and entire coaching staff and front office all have expiring contracts after this season and don't know their futures as the Glazers are waiting on CBA talks. So just a maybe for Oleson but IMO he would be high on Haley's wish list. Tampa fired Jeff Jagodinzski within days/a week or so after Gailey got canned in fear KC would ask permission to hire him even though the season was close and it would be a rare situation. On the other hand Jagodinszki was fired to because his apparent ineptness as an OC and the only thing he seemed to be able to do was install a zone blocking scheme for the OL. Oleson was already doing most of the work as QB coach.

Rob Chudzinksi was with Romeo in Cleveland as OC and now back in SD as Asst hc and TE's. Jeff Davidson the Panthers OC is another Weis pupil and will likely be available as John Fox's contract runs out after the season and it would be very safe to assume so does davidsons. No really direct connection to haley with those two just from Weis and running similar offenses.

Throw Brian Daboll the Browns OC in that mix as Mangini has a good chance of getting canned next week and holmgren won't need a Weis/Pats former QB coach in Daboll. He has made clear before this season that he let them run their offense and it isn't anything to do with the west coast offense he runs.

I don't see Grimm as a possibillity. He is more from the Cowher tree and could possibly be the next Panthers HC if Cowher doesn't take the job.

McDaniels would be great for Cassel but i would be worried about Josh's reputation since getting a HC job running people off and generally doesn't seem to be liked and how good of a fit he would be in that way. If that's what they do i'm sure it would be clear cut and hatchet burried as any major risk would be a stupid choice for a guy like Haley in his situation being on such an upswing if he couldn't trust or get along or distrupt cohesion of the staff by adding a guy like that. On the other hand maybe getting fired has humbled McDipshit who knows? Damn i sure liked teasing that pony riding piss ant.

Now i may have to pull for him next season. Such is life in the NFL i guess.

It wouldn't suprise me though in the least to see Haley just go with a system guy, like minded and experienced in the offense with one of the others listed and not McD. With Romeo, Haley can still heavily influence like he still does i assume and not worry about having to control a guy like McD if they just aren't a match.

I could see Sirriani promoted to QB coach as that is basically part of his duties now. He is a Haley hand picked youngster and I think he slowly wants to groom him to possibly be OC someday.

The timing of all of this sure does suck though.

Holy shit.

T-post Tom · 12-31-2010, 03:45 PM

Mort had Shanny coming here, so his record with KC coaching rumors isn't the best. That said, it's odd that the Chiefs wouldn't make Weiss available to the media to squash the rumor. If Weiss doesn't deny the rumor within a day or so, it's probably true.

-King- · 12-31-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Mort had Shanny coming here, so his record with KC coaching rumors isn't the best. That said, it's odd that the Chiefs wouldn't make Weiss available to the media to squash the rumor. If Weiss doesn't deny the rumor within a day or so, it's probably true.

Even if he "squashes" the rumor, theres a possibility it's true. Coaches/other people in the NFL always lie. Look at how many coaches have been given a vote of confidence by their owners and then been fired. Shit, McDaniels was told he wasn't going to be fired the sunday of the Chiefs game IIRC, then he was fired the next day.

T-post Tom · 12-31-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Even if he "squashes" the rumor, theres a possibility it's true. Coaches/other people in the NFL always lie. Look at how many coaches have been given a vote of confidence by their owners and then been fired. Shit, McDaniels was told he wasn't going to be fired the sunday of the Chiefs game IIRC, then he was fired the next day.

"Coaches/other people in the NFL always lie." Wouldn't be the way that I'd phrase it, but yes people do not always tell the truth. That said, I don't think that Charlie Weis is going to tell a gaggle of reporters that he's not leaving and then leave. He's much more likely to either avoid the media; admit that he's leaving; or decline to answer the question.

My guess is that he's leaving. In fact, I know it's true because 610 is discussing his possible replacement. And 610 is always accurate in their reporting.

**YayMike** · 12-31-2010, 03:59 PM

As long as this doesn't **** up our playoff run, I really don't care. I think he'd be a dick to leave but if he thinks he is looking out for himself, good luck to him.

jspchief · 12-31-2010, 04:00 PM

Quit reading about page 16 but I'll add my thoughts..

1. The Chiefs' offensive playcalling this year was bipolar. I've felt all along that there has been more than 1 cook in the kitchen, it's just a question of which cook was making the good stuff. It makes some sort of "divide" between Haley and Weis believable. Maybe they don't hate each other, just realize it's not a fit.

1a. I don't think I'm too upset if this happens, other than the timing. I'd prefer no distractions. But maybe the transition is already more in place than we know in terms of Weis' influence on the team.

1b. McFistpump? Leaves the taste of rotted horemeat in my mouth, but at least McDaniels' failures were mostly related to personnel moves. I'll trust Haley to not let him trade away Charles, Moeaki, etc.

2. Muschamp is looking like a freaking genius. If he does land Weis, it's a homerun for that program. Must be nice to say "I want a pro-style offense and great QB recruits" and then likely make it all happen with a single hiring. The job is a lateral move at best for Weis in title and pay, but he has a chance to become a god in the process. I don't think the guy is HC material in college or pros, but maybe he's decided this is where he can make his mark.

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12-31-2010, 03:37 PM	#397
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2301450	I'd rather see him stick around but would understand the move from a personal and family standpoint. For a guy in his health it would be like a semi retirement. He's had a rough year with the gall bladder operation and the knee getting wrecked before camp. In the introductory presser with Weiss, Haley, Crennel, and Emmitt Thomas, Romeo joked that the coaches needed to lose weight like the players did in the first year when Haley and Pioli came in. I could see Weis taking Bernie Parmalee with him to be in line to replace him when he does retire or atleast be in position to if the cards fell that way. Parmalee moved up to the booth early on as he was on the sidelines. Might not be much involved there. I just remember pre season he was actually helping Hoffman coach ST's and doing opening kick huddle breakdowns and then sitting in the booth next to weis. So if true i'd say its a combo of his health and wanting to coach under less stressful situation during the end of his career. The timing sucks but they always do in these situations with playoff teams. Big credit to Weis for Cassel's development. With the players both new and the strides some have made plus hopefully additional help on the way next year i don't see too much reason to lose hope. With Cassel Haley is going to want to make it as painless as possible. I don't see a promotion from within. Greg Oleson the oc of the Bucs could be available and Haley has had interest in him before as they worked together in Chicago. There was some article out i don't know where now that said the GM and entire coaching staff and front office all have expiring contracts after this season and don't know their futures as the Glazers are waiting on CBA talks. So just a maybe for Oleson but IMO he would be high on Haley's wish list. Tampa fired Jeff Jagodinzski within days/a week or so after Gailey got canned in fear KC would ask permission to hire him even though the season was close and it would be a rare situation. On the other hand Jagodinszki was fired to because his apparent ineptness as an OC and the only thing he seemed to be able to do was install a zone blocking scheme for the OL. Oleson was already doing most of the work as QB coach. Rob Chudzinksi was with Romeo in Cleveland as OC and now back in SD as Asst hc and TE's. Jeff Davidson the Panthers OC is another Weis pupil and will likely be available as John Fox's contract runs out after the season and it would be very safe to assume so does davidsons. No really direct connection to haley with those two just from Weis and running similar offenses. Throw Brian Daboll the Browns OC in that mix as Mangini has a good chance of getting canned next week and holmgren won't need a Weis/Pats former QB coach in Daboll. He has made clear before this season that he let them run their offense and it isn't anything to do with the west coast offense he runs. I don't see Grimm as a possibillity. He is more from the Cowher tree and could possibly be the next Panthers HC if Cowher doesn't take the job. McDaniels would be great for Cassel but i would be worried about Josh's reputation since getting a HC job running people off and generally doesn't seem to be liked and how good of a fit he would be in that way. If that's what they do i'm sure it would be clear cut and hatchet burried as any major risk would be a stupid choice for a guy like Haley in his situation being on such an upswing if he couldn't trust or get along or distrupt cohesion of the staff by adding a guy like that. On the other hand maybe getting fired has humbled McDipshit who knows? Damn i sure liked teasing that pony riding piss ant. Now i may have to pull for him next season. Such is life in the NFL i guess. It wouldn't suprise me though in the least to see Haley just go with a system guy, like minded and experienced in the offense with one of the others listed and not McD. With Romeo, Haley can still heavily influence like he still does i assume and not worry about having to control a guy like McD if they just aren't a match. I could see Sirriani promoted to QB coach as that is basically part of his duties now. He is a Haley hand picked youngster and I think he slowly wants to groom him to possibly be OC someday. The timing of all of this sure does suck though. __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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12-31-2010, 04:00 PM	#405
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Quit reading about page 16 but I'll add my thoughts.. 1. The Chiefs' offensive playcalling this year was bipolar. I've felt all along that there has been more than 1 cook in the kitchen, it's just a question of which cook was making the good stuff. It makes some sort of "divide" between Haley and Weis believable. Maybe they don't hate each other, just realize it's not a fit. 1a. I don't think I'm too upset if this happens, other than the timing. I'd prefer no distractions. But maybe the transition is already more in place than we know in terms of Weis' influence on the team. 1b. McFistpump? Leaves the taste of rotted horemeat in my mouth, but at least McDaniels' failures were mostly related to personnel moves. I'll trust Haley to not let him trade away Charles, Moeaki, etc. 2. Muschamp is looking like a freaking genius. If he does land Weis, it's a homerun for that program. Must be nice to say "I want a pro-style offense and great QB recruits" and then likely make it all happen with a single hiring. The job is a lateral move at best for Weis in title and pay, but he has a chance to become a god in the process. I don't think the guy is HC material in college or pros, but maybe he's decided this is where he can make his mark. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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