The hold that took away our 2 point conversion

[TribalElder]

Happens to Tamba Hali and never gets called

[raybec 4]

I wonder if every fan base has the wackadoo contingent screaming about shit being rigged when their team (that played like shit in all phases) loses a chance to move on in the playoffs. The Chiefs in reality should have been up by ten with 2 minutes to go. If you keep Bell, Brown and Ben out of the end zone for an entire game, you should win. Alex and the boys made absolutely nothing happen from the middle of the first quarter to the middle of the 4th. As inconsistent as the call may have been, it didn't cost us the game. Inept offense, only forcing one punt and having our big three recievers not rack up over a 120 yards combined was the deciding trifecta.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

I wonder if every fan base has the wackadoo contingent screaming about shit being rigged when their team (that played like shit in all phases) loses a chance to move on in the playoffs. The Chiefs in reality should have been up by ten with 2 minutes to go. If you keep Bell, Brown and Ben out of the end zone for an entire game, you should win. Alex and the boys made absolutely nothing happen from the middle of the first quarter to the middle of the 4th. As inconsistent as the call may have been, it didn't cost us the game. Inept offense, only forcing one punt and having our big three recievers not rack up over a 120 yards combined was the deciding trifecta.

What's funny is the fact posters here pointed out the offense spent 50% of practically every game being awful but were bitched at for complaining about not getting enough fantasy points.



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[DaFace]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

I wonder if every fan base has the wackadoo contingent screaming about shit being rigged when their team (that played like shit in all phases) loses a chance to move on in the playoffs. The Chiefs in reality should have been up by ten with 2 minutes to go. If you keep Bell, Brown and Ben out of the end zone for an entire game, you should win. Alex and the boys made absolutely nothing happen from the middle of the first quarter to the middle of the 4th. As inconsistent as the call may have been, it didn't cost us the game. Inept offense, only forcing one punt and having our big three recievers not rack up over a 120 yards combined was the deciding trifecta.

Among the Broncos fans I associate with, I wouldn't say they gripe about games being rigged per se, but they definitely feel like the NFL is set up to benefit the Patriots and that the refs are biased against the Broncos.

I think the reality is that pretty much all NFL fans feel like their team is awful and that the league hates them except for a select few.

[jettio]

Since that play was a 2-point conversion to tie the game with less than 3 minutes to play, it is clear that the call was not like a penalty called or not called on any other play.

Harrison was completely gassed at the end of the game. He had a chance to tackle Spencer Ware on the TD and he was stuck in the mud and never threatened to tackle Ware.

The NFL now allows OL and DBs to use their hands a lot more than they used to. When I watch the replay, I see that James Harrison never got leverage and he fell to the ground when his foot slid on the ground. Harrison may even have took a dive.

It should not have been called a penalty. All this conspiracy stuff seems silly, I think you just have a referee who called a penalty because he was duped by Harrison or he could not tell that Harrison fell because he lost traction.

I would like to know if the umpire also threw a flag. I suppose he was situated on that side of the line. I thought the umpire looked for holding and the referee looked to protect the QB.

I think the NFL is going to have a flopping problem, because they are creating a situation where the honest competitor on defense is going to get his jersey grabbed and no penalty will ever be called as long as he tries his best to fight off the block, but the artful DL can fall as if they were tackled and a penalty can be called.

I would have liked to see how the game would have turned out if Carl Cheffers would have made the call in accordance with the current NFL official training. You can bet that there is nothing in their training that says holding is to be called when a pass rusher falls because his feet lose traction and slide. OL are allowed to use an arm bar across the chest on an outside pass rusher.

Anyway, it was kind of rotten to make that call when the Steelers OL spent the game with the two hands up in the air post-block "I am innocent" pose, that is an admission that jersey was grabbed.

I wish the Chiefs would have made a stop on third and 3 at the 2 minute warning. And there were other plays that affected the outcome that were good plays by the Steelers and bad plays by the Chiefs.

But objectively speaking, it was a bad call. James Harrison knows he would not have complained if it had not been called, and Carl Cheffers would probably admit that he would not have called it if he saw Harrison's foot lose traction.

It could have been an all-time great NFL playoff game if it was 18-18 with Chiefs kicking off to Steelers at 2:39.

[Fish]

Some still frames...



You can clearly see that Fisher has one arm under Harrison's neck, and the other arm around his back. That arm around the back is what drew the flag.



At this point, Fisher is mostly behind Harrison, while maintaining the arm around the neck. He's completely lost positioning, and looks to be partly to blame for why Harrison slipped. This still frame looks pretty convincing.



Then Fisher basically jumps on him and tries to stick his dick in Harrison's ear hole.

That's gonna get called a large majority of the time.

[The Rick]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Here's a good one -- Chicago is the THIRD largest market in teh country. NY, LA then Chicago.

And the Bears have done shit-all for 30 years. One SB appearance in all that time, and mostly just suckitude.

Philadelphia is the 5th largest market in the country, and the Eagles have done shit-all like EVER. Went to two SBs in teh SB era that I can think of off the top of my head and lost both.

Oakland has a huge fan following which is regionally much larger than just the city of Oakland, but has done jack-all for like 30 years. The Raiders did make it to one Super Bowl -- 2002 -- which was barely a year after the NFL won a lawsuit against the Raiders. If the NFL was fixed, you can bet Al Davis's team would never have seen any Super Bowls.

You're letting facts get in the way of a good, old-fashioned conspiracy theory. Stop it.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Fish

Some still frames...



You can clearly see that Fisher has one arm under Harrison's neck, and the other arm around his back. That arm around the back is what drew the flag.



At this point, Fisher is mostly behind Harrison, while maintaining the arm around the neck. He's completely lost positioning, and looks to be partly to blame for why Harrison slipped. This still frame looks pretty convincing.



Then Fisher basically jumps on him and tries to stick his dick in Harrison's ear hole.

That's gonna get called a large majority of the time.

Here's a better angle. Clearly HARRISON isn't being held in this shot!



Wait, wrong shot, here you go:



Goddammit, that was the wrong one too! Here you go!



And "hands around" mattering must have been made-up just after this play!




Now go on about how the two aren't the same, it was a bang-bang play, or they knew Kelce was going to be mean to them...

[Garcia Bronco]

Man..many of you don't understand where the player has to be for holding to exist. Either way, it's time to move on. If you think the NFL is fixed then stop supporting it.

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Among the Broncos fans I associate with, I wouldn't say they gripe about games being rigged per se, but they definitely feel like the NFL is set up to benefit the Patriots and that the refs are biased against the Broncos.

I think the reality is that pretty much all NFL fans feel like their team is awful and that the league hates them except for a select few.

They need to shut the **** up because they got an absolute gift last year for Manning's going away present.

[Opoponax]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Bullshit! They seem to do just fine when some of those 22 prime athletes are the favored athlete.

Then how does that explain Oakland being the most penalized team in NFL history? It doesn't matter whether they've been great or awful. Every year they're called for more flags than their opponents regardless of personnel or coaching.

But the Chiefs get flagged on a blatant hold and all of a sudden it's bad call and the NFL is out to get the Chiefs.

F'ing please.

Oakland was 2-14 and one of the most penalized in the league. When they went to the Super Bowl they were one of the most penalized teams in the league.

Dallas, who's an undisputed media darling got a questionable call in their close loss to Green Bay.

It happens. This wasn't a Tuck Rule pulled out of the ass of some jack off upstairs after the play had already been ruled on.

Only Chief fans are crapping themselves about this, trying to justify another playoff loss after a solid regular season.

A mediocre quarterback, mediocre wide receivers, inability to control the clock, and the inability to score on your home turf after a bye week is why the Chiefs lost.

Get ovah it!!!

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by jettio

Since that play was a 2-point conversion to tie the game with less than 3 minutes to play, it is clear that the call was not like a penalty called or not called on any other play.

Harrison was completely gassed at the end of the game. He had a chance to tackle Spencer Ware on the TD and he was stuck in the mud and never threatened to tackle Ware.

The NFL now allows OL and DBs to use their hands a lot more than they used to. When I watch the replay, I see that James Harrison never got leverage and he fell to the ground when his foot slid on the ground. Harrison may even have took a dive.

It should not have been called a penalty. All this conspiracy stuff seems silly, I think you just have a referee who called a penalty because he was duped by Harrison or he could not tell that Harrison fell because he lost traction.

I would like to know if the umpire also threw a flag. I suppose he was situated on that side of the line. I thought the umpire looked for holding and the referee looked to protect the QB.

I think the NFL is going to have a flopping problem, because they are creating a situation where the honest competitor on defense is going to get his jersey grabbed and no penalty will ever be called as long as he tries his best to fight off the block, but the artful DL can fall as if they were tackled and a penalty can be called.

I would have liked to see how the game would have turned out if Carl Cheffers would have made the call in accordance with the current NFL official training. You can bet that there is nothing in their training that says holding is to be called when a pass rusher falls because his feet lose traction and slide. OL are allowed to use an arm bar across the chest on an outside pass rusher.

Anyway, it was kind of rotten to make that call when the Steelers OL spent the game with the two hands up in the air post-block "I am innocent" pose, that is an admission that jersey was grabbed.

I wish the Chiefs would have made a stop on third and 3 at the 2 minute warning. And there were other plays that affected the outcome that were good plays by the Steelers and bad plays by the Chiefs.

But objectively speaking, it was a bad call. James Harrison knows he would not have complained if it had not been called, and Carl Cheffers would probably admit that he would not have called it if he saw Harrison's foot lose traction.

It could have been an all-time great NFL playoff game if it was 18-18 with Chiefs kicking off to Steelers at 2:39.

If this had happened to Pitt, it would have been the topic of discussion ALL DAMN DAY on BSPN. **** WILBON, HE would have been whining about it. **** THAT ASSHOLE. Talking about he now hates the Chiefs because Kelce was taking up for Fisher on the play and Andy Reid said something. **** THEM ALL!!! It you never say something, it is going to keep happening. **** a fine. They got the money. Somebody on here please tell me with a straight face that this call is made in Pitt, NE or GB after Ben, Brady or Rodgers just tied the game up. I ****ING DARE YOU TO SAY YES!!!!!!


If you can't honestly say YES then SHUT THE **** UP!!!


And I do feel robbed as a fan of a classic ending to a divisional playoff game. That was BULLSHT. I don't want a playoff game decided by the mutha****in zebras. UNTIL WE GET A QB THAT THE LEAGUE SLOBBERS OVER, WE AIN'T WINNING SHIT. Michael Irvin was told by his employers that he CAN'T pick the Chiefs to go to SB? WTF?!!!!!

[ARROW2]

And Yes, we DO need to move on from Alex Smith!!!! He left so many points on the board it makes me want to punch something but even still, we tied the game up and the refs took it away. **** THIS LEAGUE!!!

[ARROW2]

I hope the Patriots win the whole ****ing thing now......**** it!

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Opoponax

Then how does that explain Oakland being the most penalized team in NFL history? It doesn't matter whether they've been great or awful. Every year they're called for more flags than their opponents regardless of personnel or coaching.

But the Chiefs get flagged on a blatant hold and all of a sudden it's bad call and the NFL is out to get the Chiefs.

F'ing please.

Oakland was 2-14 and one of the most penalized in the league. When they went to the Super Bowl they were one of the most penalized teams in the league.

Dallas, who's an undisputed media darling got a questionable call in their close loss to Green Bay.

It happens. This wasn't a Tuck Rule pulled out of the ass of some jack off upstairs after the play had already been ruled on.

Only Chief fans are crapping themselves about this, trying to justify another playoff loss after a solid regular season.

A mediocre quarterback, mediocre wide receivers, inability to control the clock, and the inability to score on your home turf after a bye week is why the Chiefs lost.

Get ovah it!!!

Clearly it was a hold! And not just a little hold like these!

[Opoponax]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Clearly it was a hold! And not just a little hold like these!

I saw all the pictures. And you know what?

Tough shit.

Since I've pointed all the actual reasons the Chiefs lost, here's one more. When the defense absolutely had to stop Pittsburgh. When the season rode on getting a three and out; with two+ minutes on the clock, what happened?

They gave it up.

Sure, they kept them out of the end zone all night, but they were on the field for long stretches, and when the Chief defense needed to step up; when the season was on the line, they folded like like cheap beach chairs.

This game was a team loss. It wasn't on the refs for calling a legitimate hold, or on blowing some other calls they should have made. KC choked dick. And that includes Andy "I have the best record after the bye in the history of the universe" Reid.

Pittsburgh found a way to win the game; Kansas City didn't.