So when do people stop going out to eat?

[Rain Man]

In other news, we discovered the best enchilada sauce on earth during our road trip. If you're ever traveling in rural southern Arizona, stop at this place and get a burrito with green enchilada sauce. You will not regret it. In fact, we planned our route to stop here a second time on our way home just to confirm that the first time wasn't a fluke. It's possibly the best Mexican food that has ever crossed my lips.

Avoid the salsa because it's hot, but the green enchilada sauce is uniquely sweet and tart. My wife and I think it's got a lime base or something.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/isabel-s-so...border-willcox

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Well not really because not all calories have the same effect on your body.

I remember reading some study where they controlled what the participants ate for breakfast and lunch and then in the afternoon the participants got something like a 400 calorie snack.

Some got 400 calories from a sugary drink. Some from yogurt, some from a piece of steak etc.

Then they let them all self serve how ever much dinner they wanted of spaghetti or something.

The ones consuming the steak reduced their dinner consumption by almost 400 calories compared to the ones drinking sugar. The yogurt was in between.

So drinking sugar does nothing to keep you from being hungry later, duh. But eating steak did.

But that's the point.

Calories in aren't the all same. That's why high protein diets work to lose weight...

And 400 calories of steak is a fairly small/quick package...

So being high calorie quick to eat isn't really the issue.

I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but I feel like you didn’t understand my post.

For one thing, calories in/calories out is simply tracking the amount of calories you’re taking in as opposed to the amount of calories you’re burning. You could lose weight on a diet consisting solely of donuts.

The rest of your post just basically reiterates my second paragraph. You’re not likely to lose weight while eating trash processed foods, which is where most people struggle, because they’re full of calories and not as filling.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but I feel like you didn’t understand my post.

For one thing, calories in/calories out is simply tracking the amount of calories you’re taking in as opposed to the amount of calories you’re burning. You could lose weight on a diet consisting solely of donuts.

The rest of your post just basically reiterates my second paragraph. You’re not likely to lose weight while eating trash processed foods, which is where most people struggle, because they’re full of calories and not as filling.

Everyone here is a YUGE cock gobbler when it comes to food and fitness

Theres only one way, THEIR way

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but I feel like you didn’t understand my post.

For one thing, calories in/calories out is simply tracking the amount of calories you’re taking in as opposed to the amount of calories you’re burning. You could lose weight on a diet consisting solely of donuts.

The rest of your post just basically reiterates my second paragraph. You’re not likely to lose weight while eating trash processed foods, which is where most people struggle, because they’re full of calories and not as filling.

Well maybe I did misunderstand. I thought you were saying just because they were quick to eat. I didn't see you say anything about being less filling.

And certainly at some level it comes down to calories in versus calories out and if someone is eating too much they should cut back.

But this can still be simplistic. For instance, an overweight, middle age person might cut their calorie intake by 100 calories a day and their body might respond by burning 100 less calories just while doing things like sitting in a chair...

Once a body has accustomed to a higher weight it can fight weight loss by slowing down the resting metabolism.

So reducing the calories in can reduce the calories out. No, it isn't always that simple for everybody but trying to reduce it to simple phrases isn't really accurate either.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Well maybe I did misunderstand. I thought you were saying just because they were quick to eat. I didn't see you say anything about being less filling.

And certainly at some level it comes down to calories in versus calories out and if someone is eating too much they should cut back.

But this can still be simplistic. For instance, an overweight, middle age person might cut their calorie intake by 100 calories a day and their body might respond by burning 100 less calories just while doing things like sitting in a chair...

Once a body has accustomed to a higher weight it can fight weight loss by slowing down the resting metabolism.

So reducing the calories in can reduce the calories out. No, it isn't always that simple for everybody but trying to reduce it to simple phrases isn't really accurate either.

But that's still calories in vs calories out. I don't think anyone is claiming that your calories out will always stay the same. All kinds of things will modify calories out in both directions. It's up to the human to be smart enough to continually adjust calories in.

Aldo, for what it's worth, people generally conflate leaneness and weight with overall health. However, if you are eating only three donuts a day, you might lose plenty of weight but your health will shit. It's all a big balancing act.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by loochy

But that's still calories in vs calories out. I don't think anyone is claiming that your calories out will always stay the same. All kinds of things will modify calories out in both directions. It's up to the human to be smart enough to continually adjust calories in.

Aldo, for what it's worth, people generally conflate leaneness and weight with overall health. However, if you are eating only three donuts a day, you might lose plenty of weight but your health will shit. It's all a big balancing act.

For sure. I didn’t want to be a douche to anyone on the board who struggles with their weight, but you generally only hear that “it’s not that simple” from people who struggle with their weight. It’s an excuse. Unless your body ignores the laws of thermodynamics or some shit, you’re probably just underestimating the amount of calories you’re taking in and/or overestimating how many calories you’re burning.

And, yeah, I would not recommend anyone try a diet of only donuts lol I just wanted to make a point

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by loochy

But that's still calories in vs calories out. I don't think anyone is claiming that your calories out will always stay the same. All kinds of things will modify calories out in both directions. It's up to the human to be smart enough to continually adjust calories in.

Aldo, for what it's worth, people generally conflate leaneness and weight with overall health. However, if you are eating only three donuts a day, you might lose plenty of weight but your health will shit. It's all a big balancing act.

I go back and forth with it, because thee are studies out there on how some people do far better on keto diets and others do far better on higher-carb diets... plus the body adjusting metabolism a bit as you mentioned.

And as someone who's tried to trim down the beer gut from time to time, I know how easy it is to underestimate calories in if you aren't anal about counting calories... but I think there's also some truth to it not being simple either.

[Stewie]

I don't eat at restaurants much because it's impossible to know what you're actually eating. I remember the "heart healthy" menus at various casual restaurants were anything but heart healthy when analyzed.


I will also add that frozen entrees at grocery stores are the worst. Costco and Sam's amplify this significantly.


I once bought "healthy" chicken tenders at one of the warehouse stores. Minimally processed with some breading. Not the processed precooked stuff.


Holy Crap! They were salt bombs. Never again.

[KCUnited]

My favorite quesadilla is from Flash Taco in Chicago. They’re a total 24 hour, post-bar closing, 6 hours later loose stool factory but if you order the carne asada quesadilla to-go, and they don’t know you, they ask where you live.

If you answer outside of a handful of blocks away they won’t sell it to you due to the risk of deteriorating optimal consumption. It’s like their one pride item, basted in butter, a succulent marriage of greatness, and to their credit you have about 10 minutes to rejoice in it before it transitions into an entirely different and lesser food thing.

IYKYK

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Everyone here is a YUGE cock gobbler when it comes to food and fitness

Theres only one way, THEIR way

I’m not sure who in particular this is directed toward, but I imagine it’s not me because I am not saying there is only one way. I’m actually saying there are many ways to do it, but ultimately they all boil down to calories in/calories out.

Going low carb, high protein, intermittent fasting, paleo, etc., the idea at the end of the day is to restrict you calories so that you’re burning more than you’re taking in.

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Well maybe I did misunderstand. I thought you were saying just because they were quick to eat. I didn't see you say anything about being less filling.

And certainly at some level it comes down to calories in versus calories out and if someone is eating too much they should cut back.

But this can still be simplistic. For instance, an overweight, middle age person might cut their calorie intake by 100 calories a day and their body might respond by burning 100 less calories just while doing things like sitting in a chair...

Once a body has accustomed to a higher weight it can fight weight loss by slowing down the resting metabolism.

So reducing the calories in can reduce the calories out. No, it isn't always that simple for everybody but trying to reduce it to simple phrases isn't really accurate either.

I didn’t say “less filling” but that was my aim with the chips and soda talk. You can sit down with a bag of Doritos and a Coke and 15 minutes later you’ve taken in 500 calories but you’re still hungry- because that processed crap is super high cal but not filling. On top of all that, processed foods are more likely to cause cancer. It’s basically the worst combination of shit you can eat.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I’m not sure who in particular this is directed toward, but I imagine it’s not me because I am not saying there is only one way. I’m actually saying there are many ways to do it, but ultimately they all boil down to calories in/calories out.

Going low carb, high protein, intermittent fasting, paleo, etc., the idea at the end of the day is to restrict you calories so that you’re burning more than you’re taking in.

He's super sensitive to stuff on this board.

Just don't tell him that, because... well, he's super sensitive.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

He's super sensitive to stuff on this board.

Just don't tell him that, because... well, he's super sensitive.

What are you talking about?

[Katipan]

ThcV is an appetite suppressant 😁

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I’m not sure who in particular this is directed toward, but I imagine it’s not me because I am not saying there is only one way. I’m actually saying there are many ways to do it, but ultimately they all boil down to calories in/calories out.

Going low carb, high protein, intermittent fasting, paleo, etc., the idea at the end of the day is to restrict you calories so that you’re burning more than you’re taking in.



I didn’t say “less filling” but that was my aim with the chips and soda talk. You can sit down with a bag of Doritos and a Coke and 15 minutes later you’ve taken in 500 calories but you’re still hungry- because that processed crap is super high cal but not filling. On top of all that, processed foods are more likely to cause cancer. It’s basically the worst combination of shit you can eat.

I'm on your side here, guess that didn't come across

I stopped talking fitness and nutrition a long time ago, because most people are super entrenched in their positions to the point of being dicks about it

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm on your side here, guess that didn't come across

I stopped talking fitness and nutrition a long time ago, because most people are super entrenched in their positions to the point of being dicks about it

Yeah, I got your rep. At first I wasn’t sure, though, I was like “damn, why is Scotty Free coming at my neck like that!?!” Lol