Chiefs Chiefs release KeiVarae Russell - Page 28

RunKC · 09-14-2016, 08:25 AM

Rand Gettlin-I'm told the #Chiefs have released defensive back KeiVarae Russell. Special teams numbers game. Super talented player. Likely to be claimed.

WOW

staylor26 · 09-14-2016, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

And no, Staylor, I would not draft a receiver under 5'10".

The draft is an art, not a science. That's as dumb as saying you don't like McCaffrey because he's white. That's a terrible mentality to have.

So you're telling me you could fall in love with the tape of a guy that you think is 5'10", but if you find out he's 5'9" you'll take him off your board completely?

**The Franchise** · 09-14-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

The draft is an art, not a science. That's as dumb as saying you don't like McCaffrey because he's white.

Dude....everyone knows that you don't draft white WRs.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-14-2016, 03:52 PM

Ok gang, Joe Haden trade rumors flying around.

RunKC · 09-14-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

8 posts out of 380 is "extremely butthurt"?

Ok, noob.

I do, however, find it comical that the same people that are defending Dorsey here and calling Russel; trash are the same ones that defend players like Dee Ford, Ehinger, etc and say "they need time" or they are "growing into the position."

It's a complete waste of draft capital to just walk away after a week, but then again, I'm arguing with someone who thinks DAT has value on this team when Hill does the same thing and does it better.

This place never disappoints.

I agree with some of what you said. This whole situation sounds a lot like what we would think of Dee Ford in year 1.

It's most definitely not a good look for Dorsey, but that doesn't mean he's a bad GM.

I think you would agree that if you hit on 2 players a draft, you're doing well. 3 or more is outstanding.
Let's see how this class pans out. If DJ White turns into a player, I won't care about Russell.

kccrow · 09-14-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Dude, there are several good ones in the NFL RIGHT NOW. You're talking like it's never been done before, or it's a once in a lifetime, or even generation thing. Just stop.

You don't pay attention. It is far less likely that a receiver UNDER 5'10" is successful in the NFL than he is successful, and there are very few UNDER 5'10" that have ever been. You are thinking of guys that are 5'10" or above and thinking "hey, they are." Antonio Brown is 5'10", not 5'8". Odell Beckham is 5'11", not 5'8". When I get back from the store, I'll make the list for you.

CapsLockKey · 09-14-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Go look at history. I didn't say I don't believe in him. Give me the top 100 receivers under 5'10" to ever go for ... oh lets say 750 yards in a season.

Sure if you go into the way back time machine tall receivers dominated, but more recent history shows speed and athleticism is redefining the position. Seeing a lot more Randall Cobbs and Desean Jacksons making an impact in the league. Elite speed is trumping height. The guys who have both are pretty rare.

DJ's left nut · 09-14-2016, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Ok gang, Joe Haden trade rumors flying around.

I almost mentioned him. At $11 million/season for the next 3ish seasons, his deal's under market. I just wonder if he didn't plateau a few years ago. I wonder if maybe he's not quite as good as it seemed like he was going to be.

O.city · 09-14-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I agree with some of what you said. This whole situation sounds a lot like what we would think of Dee Ford in year 1.

It's most definitely not a good look for Dorsey, but that doesn't mean he's a bad GM.

I think you would agree that if you hit on 2 players a draft, you're doing well. 3 or more is outstanding.
Let's see how this class pans out. If DJ White turns into a player, I won't care about Russell.

The problem is, even if white pans out, that Russel puck could have been used on someone else that could have made a difference.

It sucks losing that value.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-14-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What have you seen from Russell that leads you to believe that he's anything other than a wasted roster spot?

What had we seen from Dee Ford in TC his rookie year that led you to believe he was worthy of a roster spot?

You could insert a ton of players across the league into that question. Some work out, some don't - but they are typically given a legit shot. You don't piss away that draft capital in 4-5 weeks.

I'm trying to think of another Top 75 pick that has been cut by his team in the first week of his rookie season, and I'm struggling.

Personally, the bigger issue to me is what hypocrites most of you are. There are several guys on this roster that showed jack shit their 1st TC, and people here still defend them years later. But we've determined that Russell was garbage after a few practices in shells and a few handfuls of snaps in the preseason.

There HAS to be more to this story - you don't go from tripping over your own dick in a rush to draft a kid in the 3rd round to cutting him before you've ever given him a legit shot - especially at a position with a ton of question marks.

Mr. Laz · 09-14-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Ok gang, Joe Haden trade rumors flying around.

No way is Dorsey making a big move like that.

sorry, not happening

Hoover · 09-14-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Sure. But there is not upside to him. Gaines, Nelson, and the other young CBs have plenty of upside. Plus Smith was just torched by the Saints and benched. (Granted, Cooks will torch many CBs in this league before he's done.)

Agree with all points.

We Smith has been outstanding in our defense. If we are looking for a vet to help us win now, why not him. Agree the contract could be difficult.

staylor26 · 09-14-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Dude....everyone knows that you don't draft white WRs.

I'm actually talking about the son, but it works for both. Lol

Sassy Squatch · 09-14-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Ok gang, Joe Haden trade rumors flying around.

Link? I believe you but curious nonetheless.

O.city · 09-14-2016, 03:55 PM

The odds are against wrs under 5'10".

I think that 5'10" to 6'1" area is the sweet spot though.

RunKC · 09-14-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The problem is, even if white pans out, that Russel puck could have been used on someone else that could have made a difference.

It sucks losing that value.

Yeah but you could say this about every team

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