Let's talk about the ****ing Bills.

[Direckshun]

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

• The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
• He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You? Fairly level?

C'mon dude.

After your week 1 "fire everyone" breakdown and the fact that you're already started preparing yourself to be eliminated from the playoffs if we lose on Sunday, i don't think we can call you "fairly level".

Yes, it is "Girlie ass-dramatic shit". A loss on Sunday doesn't mean anything other than we're 1 more game in the deficit.

You're overly worried about Wild-Card breakers when you don't even know if Orton and the Bills can sustain success for the remainder of the season.

I agree that it's an important game RIGHT NOW, but by the end of the season we may look back and this game might not have mattered nearly as much as we thought.

The "fire everyone" thread isn't the poison arrow you seem to believe it is. I said in that thread that we were all afraid that the offseason was a total disaster, and the first game vindicated those fears -- therefore, if there wasn't a dramatic turnaround by the middle of the season, Dorsey's head should roll.

And guess what happened.

As for the actual on topic stuff, it's an 8-game season at this point with 11 teams in the AFC with 5 wins. The margin for error is miniscule. A win puts us at 60% likely to make the playoffs, a loss puts us at roughly half of that with no easy games left on the schedule but two Oakland games.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

The "fire everyone" thread isn't the poison arrow you seem to believe it is. I said in that thread that we were all afraid that the offseason was a total disaster, and the first game vindicated those fears -- therefore, if there wasn't a dramatic turnaround by the middle of the season, Dorsey's head should roll.

And guess what happened.

As for the actual on topic stuff, it's an 8-game season at this point with 11 teams in the AFC with 5 wins. The margin for error is miniscule. A win puts us at 60% likely to make the playoffs, a loss puts us at roughly half of that with no easy games left on the schedule but two Oakland games.

Who gives a **** about your %'s. They mean dick.

What % chance did we have of making the playoffs after our 0-2 start? Pretty bleak wasn't it?

Doesn't mean shit right now, does it?

And no, the 1st game didn't vindicate shit unless you're being a dramatic crybaby, which is what i called nearly all of this forum after that week 1 loss.

It was blatantly obvious why we lost that game. Reid called probably his worst game since being a Chief. The injury to DJ sucked, sure, but you should've known not to jump off a freaking bridge after that loss.

I understand that YOU don't think you take dramatic, over-reacting football takes, but from what i've read, and i know this statement won't be popular, but i think you're a few bad football seasons away from being another Claynus.

Yeah, i went there.

[O.city]

Those are cdcoxs numbers if I'm reading them right. And they're pretty predictive.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by O.city

Those are cdcoxs numbers if I'm reading them right. And they're pretty predictive.

Well then, i guess we shoulda just packed this shit in back in week 2 since 0-2 teams have a 10% chance of making the playoffs.

The Chargers managed to turn a 4-7 season into a playoff game winning season last year. And that kinda thing happens seemingly every year.

These %'s don't mean too much more than losing teams have the tendency to continue losing.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

The "fire everyone" thread isn't the poison arrow you seem to believe it is. I said in that thread that we were all afraid that the offseason was a total disaster, and the first game vindicated those fears -- therefore, if there wasn't a dramatic turnaround by the middle of the season, Dorsey's head should roll.

Dorsey's "head should roll" after taking over from a terrible regime that wasted draft pick after draft pick yet somehow, he pieced together a roster that won 11 games?

I don't know if you take this shit too seriously or if you're just completely clueless.

[ThaVirus]

Off topic, but it's funny watching you talk, Detox. You always find some way to relate the situation to the Chargers. Living there for so long is starting to turn you into a Charger fan

[DaneMcCloud]

It's completely ridiculous to state in week 8 that a loss to Buffalo would prevent the Chiefs from making the playoffs, especially since they face the Raiders twice, San Diego and Denver at home, not to mention the Steelers, who've been as inconsistent as any team in the NFL.

Every playoff spot is up for grabs and will not be determined this weekend, win or lose.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Off topic, but it's funny watching you talk, Detox. You always find some way to relate the situation to the Chargers. Living there for so long is starting to turn you into a Charger fan

Pretty much.

I've noticed i've been doing it a lot lately too. I was thinking just that when i made those posts, lol.

It's all i hear all day every ****ing day. Chargers talk. It's all i got for sports radio though.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Well then, i guess we shoulda just packed this shit in back in week 2 since 0-2 teams have a 10% chance of making the playoffs.

The Chargers managed to turn a 4-7 season into a playoff game winning season last year. And that kinda thing happens seemingly every year.

These %'s don't mean too much more than losing teams have the tendency to continue losing.

That's the life of percentages. At the time, a playoff berth looked bleak. However, there was still a pretty large sample still left to play. As that becomes less, the percentages become closer to what is the most.likely to occur.

Hence, as we lose games to other afc teams, the chances of the playoffs become less. Not zero, but less, obviously.

Paired with our tough schedule, every game is going to count.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dorsey's "head should roll" after taking over from a terrible regime that wasted draft pick after draft pick yet somehow, he pieced together a roster that won 11 games?

Right? Were you lurking during week 1? It was insanity.

Im sure you have a pretty good idea of what it was like without actually being here.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dorsey's "head should roll" after taking over from a terrible regime that wasted draft pick after draft pick yet somehow, he pieced together a roster that won 11 games?

I don't know if you take this shit too seriously or if you're just completely clueless.

The talent was there to win and we had moronic coaching decisions like having Palko start games.

Coaching ****ed us as much as bad drafting. It was A DP of failure.

Dorsey has done the exact same thing as far as wasting 1st rounders and adding contributors in the later rounds.

The difference has been our OC/DC/QB aren't complete $3it...

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's the life of percentages. At the time, a playoff berth looked bleak. However, there was still a pretty large sample still left to play. As that becomes less, the percentages become closer to what is the most.likely to occur.

Hence, as we lose games to other afc teams, the chances of the playoffs become less. Not zero, but less, obviously.

Paired with our tough schedule, every game is going to count.

No doubt.

That still doesn't equate to "Playoff chances are bleak if we lose on Sunday".

[O.city]

I don't think anyone is saying it ends the playoff chances, just makes them less, more so since it's to a team we are competing with for a spot.

Also, I'm a little nervous about that first Raider game. It's Thursday after 2 weeks of playing very physical teams two weeks in a row. I think we will beat them, but could be a possible slip up

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Rausch

The difference has been our OC/DC/QB aren't complete $3it...

I'd say that's probably the main difference for most winning teams.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Right? Were you lurking during week 1? It was insanity.

Im sure you have a pretty good idea of what it was like without actually being here.

No, I didn't lurk during my entire absence but based on Direckshun and other people's responses, I can vividly imagine the sheer amount on nonsense in the forum during Week 1.