Chiefs So here's where we are........ - Page 3

TheGuardian · 03-13-2012, 04:23 PM

It's hard to believe, but this franchise has gone backwards in a big way.

No matter what anyone says, Carl Peterson may have been the butt of jokes for a long time, but do you believe for a second that he doesn't have Manning in here for a visit? You know he does. He had a great relationship with Tom Condon.

Was Carl a prick sometimes? Sure. It's big business. Not everyone is Mr. Nice Guy.

But I don't ever remember there being this aura of "don't go there, it's a hostile work environment" when Carl was here.

No matter what anyone says, there is no way Peterson stands pat with a roster like this.

Peterson's time had come and gone, but I NEVER got the feeling that he didn't want to win a SB. I always got the feeling he did, but that his plans just didn't work out.

In contrast, what I get with Pioli is that it's more important to make a franchise and the people that work in it, submissive to him. Thus he creates a dictatorship. This is exactly why Haley did what he did before he got fired. To give Pioli a big **** you before he left. I'll stand by the fact that I think Haley is a good coach, and with the right management he would have won here. Shit he did win here. He would have won here last year had we not went into the season with the QB situation we had.

Haley was not a Cassel supporter. That alone should have endeared everyone to him. He knew he couldn't win with Cassel. But rather than get him a QB he could win with, Pioli forced Cassel on him. Once Cassel went down, Haley decided he had enough and tanked. Good idea? Probably not. But sometimes you just get your fill of something and can't bring yourself to say anything than FU.

I have no doubt that if Haley had gone to Peteron and said "we can't win with Cassel" he would have gotten him someone he felt he could win with.

This isn't a "bring back Peterson" post. Far from it.

I'm merely pointed out that while people thought it was bad under Peterson, it's much much worse under Pioli. Hard to believe that we could sink even further but we have.

This is a franchise that no one wants to come to. And a franchise (Pioli) that doesn't want to improve. I know that everyone throws this on Clark, but I don't think he's very hands on. He's not a Jerry Jones. He paid Pioli to do a GM's job. But Pioli is just playing puppet master.

You almost get the feeling that no one gives a shit up there. I don't think it's about money or filling seats. If that were the case then they would do shit to cater to the fan base. They don't. They do the opposite. Why? Because it's a dictatorship. Pioli sits up in his office, and says "**** everyone, I'm going to do what I want to do......because I can."

It's called apathy. Pioli doesn't give a shit what anyone wants. He doesn't give a shit about upgrading this roster, giving the fans something to cheer about on game day or get excited about for the upcoming season. He just wants to make sure everyone knows he's in charge.

So here's where we are.

WE will go into the 2012 season with Cassel. He will cost us some games that mean the difference in going to the playoffs or sitting at home. We'll be subjected to watching him miss wide open WR's by 19 yards and going three and out 14 times a game. Watch him not be able to effectively run a screen play or throw to the back on a wheel route who is completely wide open. You know, throws every halfway decent QB can make.

Pioli will pay some ****ing second rate FA's to come here that no one else wants. They will barely see the field and won't make a god damn bit of difference in terms of improving the roster.

We'll still be bitching that we don't have a true bad-ass nose tackle or right tackle (how many ****ing god damn piece of shit years does it take to replace two mother ****ing positions?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Clark will do interviews where he won't address any of this.

Pioli will continue to never address it.

Romeo will be the only guy that answers a god damn thing, his defense will play their guts out every game trying to keep that piece of shit Cassel and the offense in the game. But Cassel, as he always does, will continue to let everyone down.

2012 will feel a lot like this past season.

If all of this feels like it's coming to fruition, I will spend my Sunday's doing something else. I refuse to be emotionally invested in a team anymore where the action of the ownership never signifies they are doing everything in their power to win a championship.

**** that.

I don't think we can expect a change until Pioli is either fired, or makes a dramatic change in his management style. Even if the latter happens, it takes some time for that kind of thing to gain traction and reverberate throughout the league and to players.

So more than likely, this are going to be just as they have been for the past three years, or possibly worse.

I'm not a doom and gloom guy. But not being able to get a visit from Manning and hearing shit like "going to be selective in FA" (which really means, we aren't going after any big free agents) signals to me that this franchise is in a bad place, and doesn't give a shit about winning right now.

Rant over.

RUSH · 03-13-2012, 05:43 PM

How ****ing pathetic is it that the BUFFALO BILLS are throwing around money (Mario) but the Chiefs refuse to? We have sunk lower than the Bills. This is what we have come to.

I understand the whole building through the draft thing. Packers and Steelers do it successfully and it's the best way to build a team but they are both up against the cap every single year. We are about to let a young stud corner that we drafted walk over a million or two if the reports coming out are correct.

Pathetic.

htismaqe · 03-13-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

It doesn't even seem like they know how...

Gotta lock those bathrooms and draw the shades!

Coogs · 03-13-2012, 05:45 PM

Very good post Guardian!

NJChiefsFan · 03-13-2012, 05:47 PM

I really was/am giving Pioli this offseason. It wasn't like there was a ton to replace Cassel with.

Problem is there is now, and we can't even get the guy in to talk to. We also are losing Carr which is what Pioli promised wouldn't happen with out talent. We still have the Bowe issue to deal with again next year. Just a terrible start to this offseason. If we don't do whats right in FA and have Cassel back its justified to have open season on the guy. Long way to go but none of the signs point towards a positive finish.

As for comparing the two, lets just realize that we should be getting better than either of them. This is like comparing Chiefs QBs. They both usually suck.

TEX · 03-13-2012, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUSH

How ****ing pathetic is it that the BUFFALO BILLS are throwing around money (Mario) but the Chiefs refuse to? We have sunk lower than the Bills. This is what we have come to.

I understand the whole building through the draft thing. Packers and Steelers do it successfully and it's the best way to build a team but they are both up against the cap every single year. We are about to let a young stud corner that we drafted walk over a million or two if the reports coming out are correct.

Pathetic.

Yep. Not just pathetic - ****ing pathetic.

DrunkBassGuitar · 03-13-2012, 06:11 PM

it's pretty ****ed up that the Carl Peterson era was the good ol' days

**the Talking Can** · 03-13-2012, 07:06 PM

pioli can't hold Carl's jockstrap...

Reerun_KC · 03-13-2012, 07:09 PM

Thankfully my ADD didnt allow me to read all of that...

RJ · 03-13-2012, 08:09 PM

STFD and

.

That is all.

Simply Red · 03-13-2012, 08:16 PM

Never really hated you, you're just sort of a bully, but the OP is about exactly how I feel.

Omaha · 03-13-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I bet right now Pioli is on the phone doing the final parts of the deal with Manning. Manning's saying a bunch of stuff like, "I want barbecue, but I want all of the ribs facing north-south when they're delivered to me", and "Two chicks at the same time, but one of them must be South Korean and other one North Korean", and Pioli is trying to talk him into a South Korean and a Manchurian.

This is my problem with Pioli. Why not give him the North Korean? He's one of the best players of all time! **** Pioli!

03-13-2012, 09:02 PM

I had to take a commercial break about 3 paragraphs in.

Red Beans · 03-13-2012, 09:05 PM

Fence...grass...other side....greener

**MahiMike** · 03-13-2012, 09:06 PM

It's gonna be ok fellas.

Red Beans · 03-13-2012, 09:10 PM

For all you folks making this comparison- think of the media now compared to the 1990's-2005. There's no comparison. I'm not defending Pioli, but if you think we wouldn't have heard some outrageous shit during Carl's tenure... I've got a bridge for sale...

03-13-2012, 04:23 PM
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $8065299	So here's where we are........ It's hard to believe, but this franchise has gone backwards in a big way. No matter what anyone says, Carl Peterson may have been the butt of jokes for a long time, but do you believe for a second that he doesn't have Manning in here for a visit? You know he does. He had a great relationship with Tom Condon. Was Carl a prick sometimes? Sure. It's big business. Not everyone is Mr. Nice Guy. But I don't ever remember there being this aura of "don't go there, it's a hostile work environment" when Carl was here. No matter what anyone says, there is no way Peterson stands pat with a roster like this. Peterson's time had come and gone, but I NEVER got the feeling that he didn't want to win a SB. I always got the feeling he did, but that his plans just didn't work out. In contrast, what I get with Pioli is that it's more important to make a franchise and the people that work in it, submissive to him. Thus he creates a dictatorship. This is exactly why Haley did what he did before he got fired. To give Pioli a big ** you before he left. I'll stand by the fact that I think Haley is a good coach, and with the right management he would have won here. Shit he did win here. He would have won here last year had we not went into the season with the QB situation we had. Haley was not a Cassel supporter. That alone should have endeared everyone to him. He knew he couldn't win with Cassel. But rather than get him a QB he could win with, Pioli forced Cassel on him. Once Cassel went down, Haley decided he had enough and tanked. Good idea? Probably not. But sometimes you just get your fill of something and can't bring yourself to say anything than FU. I have no doubt that if Haley had gone to Peteron and said "we can't win with Cassel" he would have gotten him someone he felt he could win with. This isn't a "bring back Peterson" post. Far from it. I'm merely pointed out that while people thought it was bad under Peterson, it's much much worse under Pioli. Hard to believe that we could sink even further but we have. This is a franchise that no one wants to come to. And a franchise (Pioli) that doesn't want to improve. I know that everyone throws this on Clark, but I don't think he's very hands on. He's not a Jerry Jones. He paid Pioli to do a GM's job. But Pioli is just playing puppet master. You almost get the feeling that no one gives a shit up there. I don't think it's about money or filling seats. If that were the case then they would do shit to cater to the fan base. They don't. They do the opposite. Why? Because it's a dictatorship. Pioli sits up in his office, and says " everyone, I'm going to do what I want to do......because I can." It's called apathy. Pioli doesn't give a shit what anyone wants. He doesn't give a shit about upgrading this roster, giving the fans something to cheer about on game day or get excited about for the upcoming season. He just wants to make sure everyone knows he's in charge. So here's where we are. WE will go into the 2012 season with Cassel. He will cost us some games that mean the difference in going to the playoffs or sitting at home. We'll be subjected to watching him miss wide open WR's by 19 yards and going three and out 14 times a game. Watch him not be able to effectively run a screen play or throw to the back on a wheel route who is completely wide open. You know, throws every halfway decent QB can make. Pioli will pay some ing second rate FA's to come here that no one else wants. They will barely see the field and won't make a god damn bit of difference in terms of improving the roster. We'll still be bitching that we don't have a true bad-ass nose tackle or right tackle (how many ing god damn piece of shit years does it take to replace two mother ing positions?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!). Clark will do interviews where he won't address any of this. Pioli will continue to never address it. Romeo will be the only guy that answers a god damn thing, his defense will play their guts out every game trying to keep that piece of shit Cassel and the offense in the game. But Cassel, as he always does, will continue to let everyone down. 2012 will feel a lot like this past season. If all of this feels like it's coming to fruition, I will spend my Sunday's doing something else. I refuse to be emotionally invested in a team anymore where the action of the ownership never signifies they are doing everything in their power to win a championship. ** that. I don't think we can expect a change until Pioli is either fired, or makes a dramatic change in his management style. Even if the latter happens, it takes some time for that kind of thing to gain traction and reverberate throughout the league and to players. So more than likely, this are going to be just as they have been for the past three years, or possibly worse. I'm not a doom and gloom guy. But not being able to get a visit from Manning and hearing shit like "going to be selective in FA" (which really means, we aren't going after any big free agents) signals to me that this franchise is in a bad place, and doesn't give a shit about winning right now. Rant over.
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03-13-2012, 05:43 PM	#31
RUSH Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NY Casino cash: $10004905	How ****ing pathetic is it that the BUFFALO BILLS are throwing around money (Mario) but the Chiefs refuse to? We have sunk lower than the Bills. This is what we have come to. I understand the whole building through the draft thing. Packers and Steelers do it successfully and it's the best way to build a team but they are both up against the cap every single year. We are about to let a young stud corner that we drafted walk over a million or two if the reports coming out are correct. Pathetic.
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03-13-2012, 05:45 PM	#33
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $94349	Very good post Guardian!
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03-13-2012, 05:47 PM	#34
NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $5680423	I really was/am giving Pioli this offseason. It wasn't like there was a ton to replace Cassel with. Problem is there is now, and we can't even get the guy in to talk to. We also are losing Carr which is what Pioli promised wouldn't happen with out talent. We still have the Bowe issue to deal with again next year. Just a terrible start to this offseason. If we don't do whats right in FA and have Cassel back its justified to have open season on the guy. Long way to go but none of the signs point towards a positive finish. As for comparing the two, lets just realize that we should be getting better than either of them. This is like comparing Chiefs QBs. They both usually suck.
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03-13-2012, 08:09 PM	#39
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Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	Never really hated you, you're just sort of a bully, but the OP is about exactly how I feel.
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03-13-2012, 09:10 PM	#45
Red Beans Not dead yet... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Indian Creek Casino cash: $2549903	For all you folks making this comparison- think of the media now compared to the 1990's-2005. There's no comparison. I'm not defending Pioli, but if you think we wouldn't have heard some outrageous shit during Carl's tenure... I've got a bridge for sale...
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