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**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 07:52 AM

We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted.

I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing.

http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html

Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers

Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM

By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer

MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence.

In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints.

The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings.

The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted.

In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests.

The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest.

"There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets."

Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius.

Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones.

Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries.

But the tide is turning.

Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made.

Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies.

Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world.

They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet.

Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal.

In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain.

McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed.

Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most.

In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said.

In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago.

"Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off."

For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked.

Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza.

At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on.

The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said.

"For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said.

Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance.

"Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music."

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MOhillbilly · 10-20-2004, 08:54 AM

I hate phones.

KCTitus · 10-20-2004, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Saggysack

So my daughter has to wait to recieve proper care because someone is offended that a phone, may actually ring?

Aside from the hypothetical, the assumption that it's causing offense is nonsense...it's called being rude and inconsiderate. If you need to use the phone do it elsewhere.

It's a really simple concept.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 08:55 AM

Apparently, the small percentage of people who need their cell phone on at all times, and the people that might receive a call that their wife is in labor, their child is hurt, etc etc is less important than the people who would like to watch a movie in total silence.

I've been to quite a few movies in the last few months, and not once was my viewing experience ruined by a cell phone going off. However, if one went off and was an annoyance, i'd politely ask the person to turn it off. Grow a pair here, people.

Gaz · 10-20-2004, 08:55 AM

1. Take the elevator down.
2. Go outside.
3. Check your phone mail.

If you are concerned that your daughter may be injured, do this as often as needed to reassure yourself that she is okay.

If you must be contacted 24/7, stay out of the restaurants, theaters and the like.

Your choice.

xoxo~
Gaz
Not buying it.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

So my daughter has to wait to recieve proper care because someone is offended that a phone, may actually ring?

Voicemail may be an option in some cases, in some, like a high rise it may not. Checking voicemail may be all fine and dandy if you check it atleast on an hourly basis but HTF I am supposed to know I have a voicemail if the signal is being jammed? I don't know about you but my phone is on 24/7, I have to be able to be contacted at all hours.

For a liberal, you sure are selfish.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Apparently, the small percentage of people who need their cell phone on at all times, and the people that might receive a call that their wife is in labor, their child is hurt, etc etc is less important than the people who would like to watch a movie in total silence.

I've been to quite a few movies in the last few months, and not once was my viewing experience ruined by a cell phone going off. However, if one went off and was an annoyance, i'd politely ask the person to turn it off. Grow a pair here, people.

How the heck did we SURVIVE before cell phones?

ChiefFripp · 10-20-2004, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Considerate or inconsiderate, its a MINOR annoyance unless you have a problem controlling your anger.

If someone picks it up after one ring and walks to the lobby to complete the call it's hardly an annoyance at all but the people who sit there on the phone while people around them are trying to hear the movie, inconsiderate of all that's around them...these are the people who need to be shot, and they seem to make up the majority.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 08:58 AM

If cell phones are jammed, there should be a playpen in front of all doors to theaters that say "Check your Babies here". Hell, any child under 3 should not be allowed, unless its a childrens movie that will captivate them for the entire viewing.

Oh..and if you have a cold and you are going to cough and sneeze, stay out.

**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I've been to quite a few movies in the last few months, and not once was my viewing experience ruined by a cell phone going off. .

You don't live in Denver.

Abba-Dabba · 10-20-2004, 08:58 AM

Maybe we should just ban phones all together and go back to Pony Express. Would that make you whiners happy? Atleast you wouldn't have to hear my phone ring.

FTR I have been to 4 movies in the past 2mos. Not once did I hear a cell phone ring in any of them.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefFripp

If someone picks it up after one ring and walks to the lobby to complete the call it's hardly an annoyance at all but the people who sit there on the phone while people around them are trying to hear the movie, inconsiderate of all that's around them...these are the people who need to be shot, and they seem to make up the majority.

I'll agree with that statement. Inconsiderate people suck, but they can be dealt with.

As long as they aren't 6'5 and 265 lbs of muscle.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

I hate phones.

When I was a child, we survived with the telegraph. If it was good enough for us, it should be good enough for the rest of you.

KCTitus · 10-20-2004, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Apparently, the small percentage of people who need their cell phone on at all times, and the people that might receive a call that their wife is in labor, their child is hurt, etc etc is less important than the people who would like to watch a movie in total silence.

Talk about a small percentage...I love this framed hypothetical that ALL cellphone calls are 'important' matters of life and death.

Quote:

I've been to quite a few movies in the last few months, and not once was my viewing experience ruined by a cell phone going off. However, if one went off and was an annoyance, i'd politely ask the person to turn it off. Grow a pair here, people.

What if their response is: "Im one of 'the small percentage of people who need their cell phone on at all times and besides I might receive a call that my wife is in labor, or my child is hurt, etc'? What do you do with your 'pair' then?

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Talk about a small percentage...I love this framed hypothetical that ALL cellphone calls are 'important' matters of life and death.

What if their response is: "Im one of 'the small percentage of people who need their cell phone on at all times and besides I might receive a call that my wife is in labor, or my child is hurt, etc'? What do you do with your 'pair' then?

Ask him why he is still sitting in his seat when his wife is in labor.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

...FTR I have been to 4 movies in the past 2mos. Not once did I hear a cell phone ring in any of them.

That's because most people are more considerate than you are, apparently.

10-20-2004, 07:52 AM
CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Freedom!!! We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted. I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing. http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence. In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints. The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings. The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted. In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests. The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest. "There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets." Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius. Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones. Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries. But the tide is turning. Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made. Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies. Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world. They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet. Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal. In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain. McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed. Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most. In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said. In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago. "Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off." For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked. Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza. At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on. The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said. "For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said. Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance. "Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music." ___
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MOhillbilly Mama Tried Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9949903	I hate phones.
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Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	Apparently, the small percentage of people who need their cell phone on at all times, and the people that might receive a call that their wife is in labor, their child is hurt, etc etc is less important than the people who would like to watch a movie in total silence. I've been to quite a few movies in the last few months, and not once was my viewing experience ruined by a cell phone going off. However, if one went off and was an annoyance, i'd politely ask the person to turn it off. Grow a pair here, people.
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10-20-2004, 08:55 AM	#34
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Well, we had to know the “do it for the kids” line was coming... 1. Take the elevator down. 2. Go outside. 3. Check your phone mail. If you are concerned that your daughter may be injured, do this as often as needed to reassure yourself that she is okay. If you must be contacted 24/7, stay out of the restaurants, theaters and the like. Your choice. xoxo~ Gaz Not buying it.
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10-20-2004, 08:58 AM	#38
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	If cell phones are jammed, there should be a playpen in front of all doors to theaters that say "Check your Babies here". Hell, any child under 3 should not be allowed, unless its a childrens movie that will captivate them for the entire viewing. Oh..and if you have a cold and you are going to cough and sneeze, stay out.
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10-20-2004, 08:58 AM	#40
Abba-Dabba MVP Join Date: May 2001 Casino cash: $3582970	Maybe we should just ban phones all together and go back to Pony Express. Would that make you whiners happy? Atleast you wouldn't have to hear my phone ring. FTR I have been to 4 movies in the past 2mos. Not once did I hear a cell phone ring in any of them.
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