Chiefs still after marinelli?

[Mr. Laz]

Edwards hinted Wednesday that he may be interested in Marinelli, a Tampa Bay assistant who is interviewing for the Detroit Lions’ head-coaching job. But it won’t affect the status of Cunningham, who was hired by Dick Vermeil in 2004 to turn around a defense that ranked near the bottom of the league.

so let me try and get a feel of the situation...


marinelli is still interviewing for head coaching positions so we can't really try and hire him yet and Gun was about to hit the market for other job chances.

So rather than losing both .... Edwards got the ok to hire both


Gunther as DC ... Marinelli as asst. HC/Defensive Coord


so on defense we'll have

Edward - a defensive HC
Marinelli - a defensive asst HC
Gunther - DC/foot shuffling porter



i can live with that ... as long as we get marinelli to keep a leash on Gun.

[Cormac]

I doubt Gun would go for any of this.

Herm: "Gee, Gun, I really prefer a cover 2 zone over your crazy and ineffective blitzes."

Gun: "Umm, OK, whatever you say, sir"

Herm: "Do you think you could just teach a whole new scheme, that would suit my style a bit more"

Gun: "Umm, OK."

Herm: "And, by the way, here's my new hand-picked asst. HC who you have to answer to if you have any questions. Gunther-Rod, Rod-Gunther."

Gun: "Umm, OK."

Herm: "Consider him Mike Shanahan, and you Jake Plummer. Get it?".

Gun: "Umm, OK."

Rod: "Gunther, SIT! Good boy."

It would be nice to have all these "defensive minds" on one staff, but how would they suit each other. Gunther sticks out like a sore thumb with Herm and Rod.

[jAZ]

I don't see why Gunter can't adopt a new scheme. I don't see why he would have a problem with it. If it's effective, adopt it. He's a defensive coach, not a religous leader. It's not about the doctrine, it's about the results.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Cormac

It would be nice to have all these "defensive minds" on one staff, but how would they suit each other. Gunther sticks out like a sore thumb with Herm and Rod.

Gun will be their just to keep the players fired up and happy, but Marinelli and Edwards would do the gameplanning and playcalling.

[Cormac]

Originally Posted by jAZ

I don't see why Gunter can't adopt a new scheme. I don't see why he would have a problem with it. If it's effective, adopt it. He's a defensive coach, not a religous leader. It's not about the doctrine, it's about the results.

That's like asking Al Saunders to coach the WCO. These co-ordinators adopt and hone their own individual philosophies over years of coaching. I really doubt Gun can just flip over to the other side. He can probably adjust his scheme to compromise, but I can't see him adopting a new scheme and being an effective implementer of it. JMO.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Gun will be their just to keep the players fired up and happy, but Marinelli and Edwards would do the gameplanning and playcalling.

Just what we need, more cheerleaders I don't want to have sex with...

[Cormac]

doop.

[Cormac]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Gun will be their just to keep the players fired up and happy, but Marinelli and Edwards would do the gameplanning and playcalling.

I see that point, but it sounds like a demotion to me. I doubt Gun would be happy being the cheerleader on the sidelines, and somebody else gets to do the playcalling, gameplanning and in-game adjustments. In that case, he is nothing more than a defensive assistant with a bigger title .

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Laz

picky bastiges...


Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator > Defensive Coordinator


the very action of adding Assistant head coach TO defensive coordinator makes it higher.


and yes, if you had the assistant head coach to the title of Piss Boy it doesn't make it higher than Defensive coordinator.




man, everyone is looking to argue today ... cranking beotches

I thought you said Asst HC/defensive specialist (whatever one of those is I am pretty sure it is not a DC)

So give me some help here, what is a defensive specialists job?

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Cormac

I see that point, but it sounds like a demotion to me. I doubt Gun would be happy being the cheerleader on the sidelines

What do think his position stood as HC?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

I thought you said Asst HC/defensive specialist (whatever one of those is I am pretty sure it is not a DC)

So give me some help here, what is a defensive specialists job?

just another made up title that i figured they would use to spare gunther's feelings.


if they use co-defensive coordinator it would make Gunther feel slighted or look slighted.

but if they used assistant head coach/defensive "insert funky label here" then gunther can maintain the illusion that it was his defense.



doesn't really matter what the label is ... i just think that if Marenilli doesn't get a head coaching gig the chiefs might try and steal him away as more a true Assistant head coach to help our defense.


as long as marenilli stays in tampa bay, it's going to monte kippin's defense, not his. This gives marenilli a chance to move up and build his own defense ... since he would be above Gunther.

[bringbackmarty]

there is no new scheme, and there is no marinelli coming here. We will simply add more of the cover 2 to augment our existing man to man schemes. Look for heads to roll in the safety & db positions though. Woods for sure, and as many as three of these names - bartee, wesley, knight, warfield, mccleon, battle, and possibly bell.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by bringbackmarty

there is no new scheme, and there is no marinelli coming here.

link?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by bringbackmarty

there is no new scheme, and there is no marinelli coming here. We will simply add more of the cover 2 to augment our existing man to man schemes. Look for heads to roll in the safety & db positions though. Woods for sure, and as many as three of these names - bartee, wesley, knight, warfield, mccleon, battle, and possibly bell.

I keep hearing this talk about dumping guys like Wesley and Warfield but WTF are we going to replace them with? They have no one under them that can perform any better.

We don't need to create even bigger holes while trying to fill the ones we'll already have at T, DT, DE, and CB...

[Seek]

Originally Posted by bringbackmarty

there is no new scheme, and there is no marinelli coming here. We will simply add more of the cover 2 to augment our existing man to man schemes. Look for heads to roll in the safety & db positions though. Woods for sure, and as many as three of these names - bartee, wesley, knight, warfield, mccleon, battle, and possibly bell.

Well Geez, does that mean we are keeping Woods and Washington.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by bringbackmarty

there is no new scheme, and there is no marinelli coming here. We will simply add more of the cover 2 to augment our existing man to man schemes. Look for heads to roll in the safety & db positions though. Woods for sure, and as many as three of these names - bartee, wesley, knight, warfield, mccleon, battle, and possibly bell.

Being as I heard Herm himself say he was still going to try to hire Marinelli (though for what position he did not say) and that was after the Gun retention was announced. I have to disagree with you certainty. You are just speculating and your speculation is no better and no worse than ours.