Are we going to have winter?

[Skip Towne]

It's 70 degrees here with blue skies and a mild breeze. It hasn't gotten really cold yet. Will this weather hold till Spring?

Originally Posted by mike_b_284

Here is an idea lets bitch about nice weather in january

It is January and despite popular beliefs Winter did start on December 21, 2005. The fluctuaion of temperatures have nothing to do with the season. But I don't think that fact has ever stood in the way of someone that is pissed off.

[mike_b_284]

Originally Posted by sedated

I don't buy the global warming stuff.

It was very mild this summer, too.

Unless there is simultaneous global warming and cooling, you are all full of shit.

And who cares?

It 70 degrees outside and you are sitting in your basement b!tching on the computer about how nice it is. WTF?!

Thats exactly what I am saying. I expect it from skip's grouchy ass, but I am dissapointed in the rest of you.

[mike_b_284]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I don't care!! It really pisses me off!!

I blame the sand in your vagina

[redfan]

Volcanoes put more pollution into the atmosphere that humans ever could.
But go ahead and blame CFCs, CO2 emissions and SUVs.

[tiptap]

Originally Posted by redhed

Volcanoes put more pollution into the atmosphere that humans ever could.
But go ahead and blame CFCs, CO2 emissions and SUVs.

Let's see. . . two minute Google search and vioala!

Volcanic production average per year: 130 million tonnes per year vs Billions of tonnes by human consumption.

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities. Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons). Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of nearly 17,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 13.2 million tonnes/year)!


Yeah I can't wait until the methane ice is released from Siberia's deep freeze. Look if it really gets warm you want to buy land in Siberia and Northern Canada. The open artic ocean will be the 21st centuries Mediterranean of commerce.

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/W...Gas/volgas.html

"Since 1751 roughly 290 billion tons of carbon have been released to the atmosphere from the consumption of fossil fuels and cement production. HALF of these emissions have occurred since the mid 1970s. The 2002 global, fossil-fuel CO2 emission estimate, 6975 million metric tons of carbon, represents an all-time high and a 2% increase from 2001.

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/emis/tre_glob.htm

Troll the political forum and learn something troll

[savedin79]

no, its over.

[tiptap]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Actually on a molecule per molecule basis, CFCs (what you are calling "freons") are much stronger than CO_2 as global warming agents. CFC's exert about 10% of the cumulative global warming potential as CO_2 (not insignificant), even though their atmospheric concentration is about a million times less.

Incidently, the use of CFCs as aerosol propellants in consumer products was discontinued in the US in the late '70s. The ban was motivated not by the antartic ozone hole (which had not yet been discovered), but by the mere potential of significant ozone descrtuction by CFCs postulated by Moline and Rowland. Moline and Rowland eventually won a Nobel prize in chemistry for their work. Evidently, luv2rite suffered many bad hair days in vain.

I did say your beer was warm. Yes carbon based compounds including flourine compounds do have heat retention. But compared to the production of COtwo and methane the CFC content is limited compared to the catalytic effect CFC compounds have in depleting Ozone in the upper atmosphere.

And the recent reports indicate with a stabilizing of CFC release into the atmosphere the HOLE is not getting bigger. We may get to see a reversal on what was good forsight. As opposed to ignoring Global Warming.

[PastorMikH]

Skip, you're in OK now. Winter will get here towards the end of Feb.

While some cold weather to kill off the dormant bugs and such would be nice, I'd really like some moisture - I don't really care how we get it right now either (well 2 inches of Ice might be a bit hard on powerlines and such). Give me a foot of snow or a couple inches of rain a couple times a month between now and march.

[tiptap]

Originally Posted by sedated

I don't buy the global warming stuff.

It was very mild this summer, too.

Unless there is simultaneous global warming and cooling, you are all full of shit.

And who cares?

It 70 degrees outside and you are sitting in your basement b!tching on the computer about how nice it is. WTF?!

When I went on my honeymoon way back whenever. My wife got fried in the sun of the Carribean. Let's just say we had better bedding before the ceremony. But located on the beach without air conditioning , I did buy ice and a fan (and noxema) and blew the warm air over the ice and cooled it to offer relief. (It paid devidends later)

The glaciers and ice caps are melting. They are tempering the effects of temperature. There is the melting "heat of fusion" cooling effect as the mass of ice melts.

This is why you can see mild conditions in summer. We live in the Alberta Clipper area where cold builds up in the north and plummets toward the plains. Except now we see this as a moderation of summer as the ice melts.

None of this changes the fact that the average temperature around the world was higher in 2005 than at any other time we have been keeping score. And higher than indications for thousands of years.

[redfan]

Originally Posted by tiptap

Troll the political forum and learn something troll

Well shut mah mouf'! I've been reading the wrong info.
So much fer subtlety. It must be true if its on the internets! (esp. google)
I wonder how much of that human pollution is absorbed by the oceans.

/hardly a troll; musta hit a noive

[cdcox]

Regarding the scientific content of the posts on this thread. I teach a gradute level course on environmental chemistry, about half of which concerns atmospheric chemistry. Still I don't consider myself an expert by any means. I consider that I barely have enough credibility to intelligently discuss the issues.

For the record, I still hold some skepticism on global warming. Based on my state of knowledge, if I were to say it were definitely happening, or definitely not happening, I would be FOS.

Let the reader understand.

[tiptap]

Originally Posted by redhed

Well shut mah mouf'! I've been reading the wrong info.
So much fer subtlety. It must be true if its on the internets! (esp. google)
I wonder how much of that human pollution is absorbed by the oceans.

/hardly a troll; musta hit a noive

I was taught that all trolls are redheaded. I hope you didn't take too much offense.

If you checked the sources for the info you'd see I quoted USGS. Not a liberal part of the government. Usually more interested in securing data about minerals and mining and in obtaining mapping.

You dismiss good data because it doesn't suit your thoughts.
Wishful thinking. "If wishes were horses than beggars would ride"

If you wish me to give the references about COtwo absorption I will. But you will find that again it ain't the data you were hoping for. So go ahead and live under your bridge in your imaginary world. Don't take notice of real world determinations.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Regarding the scientific content of the posts on this thread. I teach a gradute level course on environmental chemistry, about half of which concerns atmospheric chemistry. Still I don't consider myself an expert by any means. I consider that I barely have enough credibility to intelligently discuss the issues.

For the record, I still hold some skepticism on global warming. Based on my state of knowledge, if I were to say it were definitely happening, or definitely not happening, I would be FOS.

Let the reader understand.

OK, I think we all agree that Seedy Cocks is FOS.

[tiptap]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Regarding the scientific content of the posts on this thread. I teach a gradute level course on environmental chemistry, about half of which concerns atmospheric chemistry. Still I don't consider myself an expert by any means. I consider that I barely have enough credibility to intelligently discuss the issues.

For the record, I still hold some skepticism on global warming. Based on my state of knowledge, if I were to say it were definitely happening, or definitely not happening, I would be FOS.

Let the reader understand.

So lets walk through the physical chemistry for all on board. I shan't shrink from a technical discussion.

What part of global warming are you uncomfortable with. Is it that that you don't think the measured temperatures increases are real?

Is it you don't think there is a correlation between COtwo or other carbon/ water content and heat retention?

Is it you don't think the contribution is from human activity?

Is it you think that the 1.5 degree change is so small as to really have any effect?

I'm asking because if someone with some sophitication in understanding is waffling than I can't expect anyone else to take the concern as real.

[redfan]

Originally Posted by tiptap

I was taught that all trolls are redheaded. I hope you didn't take too much offense.

If you checked the sources for the info you'd see I quoted USGS. Not a liberal part of the government. Usually more interested in securing data about minerals and mining and in obtaining mapping.

You dismiss good data because it doesn't suit your thoughts.
Wishful thinking. "If wishes were horses than beggars would ride"

If you wish me to give the references about COtwo absorption I will. But you will find that again it ain't the data you were hoping for. So go ahead and live under your bridge in your imaginary world. Don't take notice of real world determinations.

Hey, it's all good. I read somewhere a long time ago (don't remember where) where this one little volcano put out a lot of pollution. Not just CO2, but real nasty stuff like sulphur dioxide, hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen chloride and the like. But if it makes you feel better to revert to insults, go right ahead, I can take it. We all live on the same planet.