Gretz Article: Shields in a boot - Page 3

tomahawk kid · 08-18-2006, 07:19 AM

GRETZ: Worse Than the First
Aug 18, 2006, 5:59:19 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – As optimistic as Herm Edwards can be as a head coach, it’s going to be tough for him to find anything positive out of the Chiefs second pre-season defeat, this time 17-0 to the New York Giants on Thursday night in the Meadowlands.

OK, Dustin Colquitt was a positive. The Chiefs second-year punter was worn out after kicking nine times. He averaged just a hair short of 50 yards per punt, with a net average a hair short of 42 yards per punt.

After that … this tape is going to have to be dissected to slivers before the coaching staff finds much to be happy about.

That’s especially true with the first-team units of the offense and defense. They essentially moved through the first half like they were sleep walking. The defense couldn’t stop the Giants and the offense was ineffective.

And then there was the site of Will Shields limping out of Giants Stadium, his left foot in a boot. The veteran guard suffered an ankle injury. An x-ray taken at the stadium showed nothing broken, but he’s likely headed for several weeks of rehab.

Suddenly the problems mount for Edwards:

Defense: In two games they’ve not forced a turnover. They had three sacks, but none of those involved the Giants starting quarterback Eli Manning; he was unencumbered as he completed 11 of 14 passes. The Chiefs have gotten no push in the middle of their pass rush. After getting hammered in the running game by Houston, the Chiefs gave up 154 rushing yards to New York.

Offense: the Chiefs never got close to scoring against the Giants. In 10 possessions, they moved across the 50-yard line just one time and never moved beyond the New York 32-yard line. Trent Green was under pressure from the Giants pass rush and some of that came up the middle, where normally the Chiefs are very stout in the protection of their quarterback.

There were penalties. There were mental errors. It may be an over-simplification, but the way this game played out it looked like the Giants had something to play for and the Chiefs were just punching the clock, going through the motions. Tom Coughlin’s team looked like they had three weeks of training camp, while Edwards group played as if they had just showed up for the pre-season.

As Edwards told his team at halftime and then the media after the game, the Chiefs have yet to play together as a team. Now, the pre-season is where a lot of this comes together, so it’s far too early for anybody inside or outside Arrowhead Stadium to hit the panic button.

But the Chiefs players are delusional if they think this team is in a position to be able to flip a switch on September 10th and suddenly be well-oiled machine and blow away the rest of the AFC. Football teams win championships, and the Chiefs haven’t been a “team” for the last five years. They don’t have a lot of carry over from last year to build on.

This group of Chiefs veterans has done nothing to think they are anything special in the NFL. They didn’t make the playoffs last year, or the year before. They’ve made the playoffs once in the last eight years. All those Pro Bowl berths and offensive records are withered flowers when it comes to the 2006 season.

As a team, they’ve accomplished nothing. And, that’s exactly what they accomplished Thursday night before a national television audience: nothing.

As the Chiefs return to Arrowhead to continue the pre-season, there’s an awful lot of work that must be done.

The opinions offered in this column do not necessarily reflect those of the Kansas City Chiefs.

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This just gets better and better......

Mr. Laz · 08-18-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I haven't actually seen the game yet.

Otter · 08-18-2006, 01:09 PM

Hydrae · 08-18-2006, 01:57 PM

All I know is that pretty much all the pressure Trent got in his part of the game were the direct result of Bober looking more like a marshmallow than an NFL lineman. The only time his man wasn't in Trent's face was when he was getting help from Cruz or Weigmann.

ChiefFan31 · 08-18-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Gretz

Football teams win championships, and the Chiefs haven’t been a “team” for the last five years. They don’t have a lot of carry over from last year to build on.

WTF is this guy talking about? Does he wish to go back to the Glory season of 2001 when we were a TEAM??

I know, He is throwing Vermeil under the bus for the 20th article in a row. But still.....what an Dumbass.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Black at guard worries me much less than Black at tackle...

Agreed. I just hope we havent shot his confidence down the toilet by continually trying to play the guy at Tackle.

sedated · 08-18-2006, 02:24 PM

while I don't like blaming Vermeil, I'll say that it is difficult to take over a team that was successful.

It's similar to the Jayhawks when roy left and Bill Self took over. All kinds of talent, but when you want to change something, everyone questions it. "why change what has been successful?"

...or maybe Self and Herm are just bad coaches

BigChiefFan · 08-18-2006, 02:27 PM

I sure hope Shields is ready for the opener. Our O-line is decimated with injuries at this point.

Calcountry · 08-18-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Gretz: "This group of Chiefs veterans has done nothing to think they are anything special in the NFL. They didn’t make the playoffs last year, or the year before. They’ve made the playoffs once in the last eight years. All those Pro Bowl berths and offensive records are withered flowers when it comes to the 2006 season.

As a team, they’ve accomplished nothing. And, that’s exactly what they accomplished Thursday night before a national television audience: nothing."

Whatever you do, Bob, don't blame the guy who has assembled these players who have made the playoffs once in the last eight years.

No kidding. And more than that, never ever blame the guy who faithfully keeps him employed.

**Rausch** · 08-18-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by coryt

I'm not seeing anything about Will Shields anywhere except this article from Gretz. Anyone else?

I really didn't see $#it in the article about it either...

stevieray · 08-18-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

That's a bunch of garbage... and it's the real problem with this organization, nobody is ever held at fault. Just like Gunther can fail and fail and fail... and first it's the players, then it's the coaches. But never Gunther! Or Carl getting 218 chances to build this team. Everybody always has an excuse.

Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

Vermiel might've been here for five years, but where is the continuity this team seems to have lost since the 97 playoff team?

Gunther inherited a team in disarray, as did DV. DV bulit one half in his tenure, but didn't leave Herm any depth. At all. With the loss of PH, WR. and TR, if we lose another starter on offense, especially skill position, we're done. Without depth for this season or the future.

Same on defense, other than safety where is our depth?.... and even that remains to be seen. While we do have some talent, we all see what happens if Tamba gets hurt, or KM, etc.

The defense seems unable to find an identity, and how could they? Once again, they are changing systems on the fly. How many systems has KM learned since he's been here? No continuity.

And there lies the rub...SD is building a solid franchise for the future, the Invescos remain competitive every year,(hell, they take cast off DT's and get better production than our first round picks). Shanny isn't going anywhere, and Marty prolly isn't either, while we play on the neverending merry go round of patch work and hope. If we were going with a defensive minded coach, you have to retain AS to at least keep some of the magic on offense intact, especially when you lose lockerroom leaders like roaf, Priest, and TRch

While I still have hope, it just seems the expectations are a little too high for a first year coach.

**Nzoner** · 08-18-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

Vermiel might've been here for five years, but where is the continuity this team seems to have lost since the 97 playoff team?

Gunther inherited a team in disarray, as did DV. DV bulit one half in his tenure, but didn't leave Herm any depth. At all. With the loss of PH, WR. and TR, if we lose another starter on offense, especially skill position, we're done. Without depth for this season or the future.

Same on defense, other than safety where is our depth?.... and even that remains to be seen. While we do have some talent, we all see what happens if Tamba gets hurt, or KM, etc.

The defense seems unable to find an identity, and how could they? Once again, they are changing systems on the fly. How many systems has KM learned since he's been here? No continuity.

And there lies the rub...SD is building a solid franchise for the future, the Invescos remain competitive every year,(hell, they take cast off DT's and get better production than our first round picks). Shanny isn't going anywhere, and Marty prolly isn't either, while we play on the neverending merry go round of patch work and hope. If we were going with a defensive minded coach, you have to retain AS to at least keep some of the magic on offense intact, especially when you lose lockerroom leaders like roaf, Priest, and TRch

While I still have hope, it just seems the expectations are a little too high for a first year coach.

Wow buddy that was a depressing read(although very true) and not trying to be funny but if this continues I'm thinking I may be glad I didn't renew.

stevieray · 08-18-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner 338

Wow buddy that was a depressing read(although very true) and not trying to be funny but if this continues I'm thinking I may be glad I didn't renew.

I actually thought about you in that context after the game last night.

BigChiefFan · 08-18-2006, 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=stevieray]Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

QUOTE]

Can you elaborate on that?

**Nzoner** · 08-18-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

I actually thought about you in that context after the game last night.

I was at a bar watching last night and behind me was a Raiders fan,I didn't even have the confidence in the team to talk any smack with him.

Again,I'm anxious to see how they look at home next weekend.

stevieray · 08-18-2006, 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=BigChiefFan]

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

QUOTE]

Can you elaborate on that?

No, and in retrospect, I regret typing it.

Sorry.

08-18-2006, 07:19 AM
tomahawk kid Drunk in the Neighborhood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Beating the War Drums Casino cash: $10001837	Gretz Article: Shields in a boot GRETZ: Worse Than the First Aug 18, 2006, 5:59:19 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – As optimistic as Herm Edwards can be as a head coach, it’s going to be tough for him to find anything positive out of the Chiefs second pre-season defeat, this time 17-0 to the New York Giants on Thursday night in the Meadowlands. OK, Dustin Colquitt was a positive. The Chiefs second-year punter was worn out after kicking nine times. He averaged just a hair short of 50 yards per punt, with a net average a hair short of 42 yards per punt. After that … this tape is going to have to be dissected to slivers before the coaching staff finds much to be happy about. That’s especially true with the first-team units of the offense and defense. They essentially moved through the first half like they were sleep walking. The defense couldn’t stop the Giants and the offense was ineffective. And then there was the site of Will Shields limping out of Giants Stadium, his left foot in a boot. The veteran guard suffered an ankle injury. An x-ray taken at the stadium showed nothing broken, but he’s likely headed for several weeks of rehab. Suddenly the problems mount for Edwards: Defense: In two games they’ve not forced a turnover. They had three sacks, but none of those involved the Giants starting quarterback Eli Manning; he was unencumbered as he completed 11 of 14 passes. The Chiefs have gotten no push in the middle of their pass rush. After getting hammered in the running game by Houston, the Chiefs gave up 154 rushing yards to New York. Offense: the Chiefs never got close to scoring against the Giants. In 10 possessions, they moved across the 50-yard line just one time and never moved beyond the New York 32-yard line. Trent Green was under pressure from the Giants pass rush and some of that came up the middle, where normally the Chiefs are very stout in the protection of their quarterback. There were penalties. There were mental errors. It may be an over-simplification, but the way this game played out it looked like the Giants had something to play for and the Chiefs were just punching the clock, going through the motions. Tom Coughlin’s team looked like they had three weeks of training camp, while Edwards group played as if they had just showed up for the pre-season. As Edwards told his team at halftime and then the media after the game, the Chiefs have yet to play together as a team. Now, the pre-season is where a lot of this comes together, so it’s far too early for anybody inside or outside Arrowhead Stadium to hit the panic button. But the Chiefs players are delusional if they think this team is in a position to be able to flip a switch on September 10th and suddenly be well-oiled machine and blow away the rest of the AFC. Football teams win championships, and the Chiefs haven’t been a “team” for the last five years. They don’t have a lot of carry over from last year to build on. This group of Chiefs veterans has done nothing to think they are anything special in the NFL. They didn’t make the playoffs last year, or the year before. They’ve made the playoffs once in the last eight years. All those Pro Bowl berths and offensive records are withered flowers when it comes to the 2006 season. As a team, they’ve accomplished nothing. And, that’s exactly what they accomplished Thursday night before a national television audience: nothing. As the Chiefs return to Arrowhead to continue the pre-season, there’s an awful lot of work that must be done. The opinions offered in this column do not necessarily reflect those of the Kansas City Chiefs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This just gets better and better......
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08-18-2006, 01:57 PM	#33
Hydrae MVP Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newport, Or Casino cash: $-993000	All I know is that pretty much all the pressure Trent got in his part of the game were the direct result of Bober looking more like a marshmallow than an NFL lineman. The only time his man wasn't in Trent's face was when he was getting help from Cruz or Weigmann.
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08-18-2006, 02:27 PM	#36
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	I sure hope Shields is ready for the opener. Our O-line is decimated with injuries at this point. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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08-18-2006, 03:39 PM	#42
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	[QUOTE=stevieray]Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other. QUOTE] Can you elaborate on that? __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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