Chiefs Herm Is An Upgrade - Page 3

10-14-2006, 01:33 AM

This is a quality article, IMO.

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/579155.html

Hammock Parties · 10-14-2006, 08:18 AM

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Larry Johnson must be a big baby.

Was Derrick Thomas a big baby, too?

Brock · 10-14-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Was Derrick Thomas a big baby, too?

Was Derrick Thomas a starter in his first pro game?

CupidStunt · 10-14-2006, 08:21 AM

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Are you SURE you are a CHIEFS fan, i'm not.

You're not?

Doesn't surprise me.

Me? Yeah, I am. Just not of the sad sack of a coach who wasted 5 years of prime talent. fucking embarrassing.

**Easy 6** · 10-14-2006, 08:25 AM

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You're not?

Doesn't surprise me.

Me? Yeah, I am. Just not of the sad sack of a coach who wasted 5 years of prime talent. fucking embarrassing.

I hear the fins could use a few "fans", why dont you sign up over there so's to max out your encyclopedia of football knowledge.

OldTownChief · 10-14-2006, 08:26 AM

I agree that this is a worn out tired subject and doesn't mean shit in the whole sceme of things but this is a well written article IMO. The read doesn't take on the flavor of a childrens book like so many of your others do. I believe it's the first one of yours I kept intrust in and didn't click out near the begining.

kcxiv · 10-14-2006, 08:28 AM

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I agree. The only thing I said was that he cared about the offense TOO MUCH. That's why he didn't do the sensible thing like dump Robinson and let Gunther choose his own coaching staff. He spent draft picks to upgrade the offensive talent through trades. Did we ever do that on defense until his last year when we were desperate for a cornerback? That was a Carl move anyway, IMO.

Gunther talked about creating a defensive culture in KC. Dick's entire culture was offense-oriented.

didnt he sign barber and a few others during the GR era?

Also, didnt Gun also say he could win with the players he had on the field before the season ever started, then once he realized the talent wasnt there, he said he needed bettter players?

CupidStunt · 10-14-2006, 08:30 AM

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I hear the fins could use a few "fans"

I wouldn't know. I don't frequent other team's message forums.

I doubt you'd wanna be a fan of that team, though. They don't have a coach who's more likely to cry his eyes out than win a playoff game.

**HemiEd** · 10-14-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lj4mvp

(1) Edwards has players overachieving like Vermeil never could've dreamed of. Guys like James Reed, Ron Edwards, Sammy Knight (who's playing 100 times better than last season), etc..

If you feel Sammy Knight is playing better, you should say Thanks to Ty Law. He has openly instructed him on the field how to play his position. Herm was DB, and has clearly made a difference in that area. James Reed and Ron Edwards were not here under Dick.

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(2) Vermeil will be remembered more for his UNDERachievers than his overachievers..

Not by many of us.

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For every Green or Kennison, there's a Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson.

Kris Wilson has done pretty much everythng he has been asked to do. He has caught 5 out of 6 balls thrown to him. If Tony G. was to get injured I think we would all be glad we have him. Are you blaming Dick for Wilson not being able to beat Tony out of his job?
I know it may seem like a long time ago to you, but Dick Vermeil did not coddle Ryan Sims. He was on his case from day one for his holdout. He attributed his quick Rookie injury to not being in camp. How did Herm do with Junior Siavii and Ryan Sims so far? So are you saying it's Dick's fault for drafting two guys that can not perform and can not be coached?

Brock · 10-14-2006, 08:35 AM

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So are you saying it's Dick's fault for drafting two guys that can not perform and can not be coached?

I agree with some of what you said, but yes, it's Dick's fault for drafting two guys who can not perform and can not be coached. At least somewhat.

**Easy 6** · 10-14-2006, 08:36 AM

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I wouldn't know. I don't frequent other team's message forums.

I doubt you'd wanna be a fan of that team, though. They don't have a coach who's more likely to cry his eyes out than win a playoff game.

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CupidStunt · 10-14-2006, 08:37 AM

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Not by many of us.

Uh, yes. Vermeil won ZERO playoff games in five years. Fans around the NFL laugh at his tenure and it's a fucking embarrassment.

He didn't do shit. He coached a bunch of underachievers. The entire NFL looks at the Chiefs as underachievers and it's all thanks to that sad sack.

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Kris Wilson has done pretty much everythng he has been asked to do.

Now I know I'm dealing with a very, very sad Dick Vermeil apologist.

Again,

. Kris Wilson for MVP!

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How did Herm do with Junior Siavii and Ryan Sims so far?

Herm got rid of the shitcan that was Junior Siavii, something Vermeil never had the balls to do. Herm knows dogshit when he sees it.

Ryan Sims? Playing better than he ever did under Vermeil, and thanks to Herm's collab on getting Reed and Edwards, Sims is what he should be - a backup.

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So are you saying it's Dick's fault for drafting two guys that can not perform and can not be coached?

No, I blame Edwards.

Who the fuck else is to blame?

blueballs · 10-14-2006, 08:38 AM

Edwards won in AZ he is a hero
lose this sunday and plenty will
want to run him out of town

**HemiEd** · 10-14-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

didnt he sign barber and a few others during the GR era?

Also, didnt Gun also say he could win with the players he had on the field before the season ever started, then once he realized the talent wasnt there, he said he needed bettter players?

Exactly, and to continue, he then said it was Dick's fault after he left. This team finally has so much talent on Defense that not even Gunther can **** it up.

Hammock Parties · 10-14-2006, 08:39 AM

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I believe it's the first one of yours I kept intrust in and didn't click out near the begining.

Thanks. I am glad you were intrusted in it.

Hammock Parties · 10-14-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

didnt he sign barber and a few others during the GR era?

I was only talking about trades.

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Also, didnt Gun also say he could win with the players he had on the field before the season ever started, then once he realized the talent wasnt there, he said he needed bettter players?

Inconsequential. Gunther wasn't going to come out and say "I can't win with these players."

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