Casey Martin fiasco - Page 3

Mi_chief_fan · 01-17-2001, 04:14 PM

Now, i'll admit it: I [b]HATE[/b] golf. Can't play. Can't stand to watch. The very thought of calling these spoiled, rich brats 'athletes' makes me either want to laugh uncontrollably, or vomit(it's a fine line, you know).

However, the whole Casey Martin fiasco really bugs me. Those who say that he should be able to use this cart, as a result of the disabilities act, are really disillusioned. Somehow, I doubt the NBA, NHL or NFL would allow such a thing either.If so, Joe Montana might have led the Chiefs to a couple of Super Bowl wins.

I guess what it comes down to is this: is golf a 'sport'? For them to be taken seriously, they really need the Supreme Court to turn down Martins request.

If Martin wins, i'll be entering my golf cart in this year's Boston Marathon. :D:

Pitt Gorilla · 01-17-2001, 11:10 PM

Hey Raderhader, maybe the PGA shouldn't let white people play golf. How about lefties? How about short people? Letting them make up their own rules, plausible or not, just doesn't jive. That's what laws like the ADA were written for.

5decadechiefsfan · 01-17-2001, 11:41 PM

Let the young man use a cart. Make an exception in his case. He will someday lose that leg. It's pathetic that Tour players would be against him...it's even worse when former PGA players chime in. Many PGA Tour players would prefer to walk even if offered a cart...there COULD be a competetive advantage for a NON-handicapped player using a cart if it the weather was brutally hot or humid, but even with the cart Martin experiences pretty severe pain. The players on tour should let him play and use a cart. The players against him are extremely selfish and unworthy of any fan's adulation.

Mile High Mania · 01-18-2001, 10:41 AM

I think this is insane... I'd like to know what the PGA would do if Tiger Woods were involved in a car wreck that resulted in him receiving a hip and knee replacement, then as he mounts his comeback he realizes that walking is too painful and a cart would benefit him.

Would the PGA say "No, Tiger... you just have to retire, you can't use a cart b/t holes"?

I seriously f'in doubt it!

Yes, Martin's situation is a little different than the Woods scenario, but the underlying themes are the same.

Plus, did you know this ... at the recent PGA event in Hawaii there is a large hill/incline on one of the holes and the golfers were given the option of riding a CART up the hill to the next hole. Hmmm... unless, it was the size of Everest, why couldn't they just walk?

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Joe Seahawk · 01-18-2001, 10:49 AM

I think the PGA should make an exception in this case.

With that being said, I also hope the Supreme court overturns the earlier ruling that he should be able to use a cart...Confused?

I'll try to clarify, I think the PGA deserves the right to make it's own rules, but I also think in this case Martin would NOT gain a competitive advantage...
The PGA should be allowed to make an exception, rather than forced to accept a disabled golfer......Joe
hope's that makes sense to somebody.

01-18-2001, 11:13 AM

oops DP

[Edited by Iowanian on 01-18-2001 at 11:21 AM]

01-18-2001, 11:20 AM

This reminds me of an Old Stone's song...."you can't always get what you want"

We can't all be professional athletes..physical limitations stop those dreams every day...

I wanted to be a true athlete, a porn star, but wasn't lucky enough to be born with a pringle can.....although I may wish to play professionally, I have accepted my role as an ameture and play a hole every time I can:)

Some of the fattest loads I know are golfers..they couldn't do A pushup, and are decent golfers...its an excuse to get away from a nagging wife and drink beer...

Instead of carts which tear up the fairways..I propose that they get teams of midgets to carry the golfers around on the bamboo carts like Myan chieftans....I'd watch golf on TV if they had that... :D

58Forever · 01-18-2001, 11:46 AM

great point Mile High...Tiger would get some rules changed...but that still doesn't mean it is right...Casey Martin or Tiger Woods, shouldn't matter, they should not be allowed to ride unless, as Joe Seahawk says, the PGA decides they should...this should not be a court issue...

The Senior PGA allows players to ride, that is there rule because they realize that older golfers may need assistance because of injury, etc...Jack Nicklaus had hip replacements and was allowed to ride...but if Joe Blow had hip replacements he too would be allowed to ride...this is the Senior PGA...

Let the PGA decide this and not the courts...

Hey, and Mile High, thanks for not flipping me off anymore... :)

DanT · 01-18-2001, 12:00 PM

Interestingly, one of the greatest golfers of all-time did suffer a devastating accident when his car smashed into a Grayhound Bus. Both of his legs were shattered. Many thought his career was over. Within 2 years, this golfer came back to win the 1950 US Open, despite the pain and difficulties his legs gave him. I'm sure a lot of you know who I'm talking about. Here's a link to a golf magazine article describing a moment from that tournament, #1 in their list of 50 great moments in US Open History:

[url]http://www.golfonline.com/news/golfweek/1998/usopen/50moments/01.html[/url]

[Edited by DanT on 01-18-2001 at 12:05 PM]

Clint in Wichita · 01-18-2001, 12:43 PM

I can make field goals on a regular basis. No, really! Unfortunately, my leg is quite a bit weaker than the average NFL kicker, and I don't have time to work out.

Unless the NFL starts allowing field goals to be attempted with a Nerf football, they are discriminating against me and all other aspiring field goal kickers that are burdened with weak kicking legs.

One of my buddies is a blind guy who wants to be a commercial airline pilot. He'll be filing a lawsuit against the FAA any day now.

Mile High Mania · 01-18-2001, 01:33 PM

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Well, I knew that Clint would take it to the extreme.
Those situations don't even compare. Martin can do everything that Tiger can do with a golf club ... he just can't physically walk from hole to hole. If he was a 300 lb tub of crap, I could expect this reaction.

Yes, I knew there was a legend that did that in the 1950s. Great for him. My scenario put Tiger in a situation where he could NOT walk from hole to hole. He is worth too much $$ and too much PR for the PGA, so I gurandamntee you that they would let him drive a cart.

[Edited by Mile High Mania on 01-18-2001 at 01:35 PM]

**Bob Dole** · 01-18-2001, 02:37 PM

There's actually some precedent for your legally blind friend, Clint. He should probably make sure the suit ends up in the 9th Circuit, though.

And Bob Dole retracts Bob Dole's earlier statements about Martin. It's obvious that the cart does <b>not</b> give him any significant advantage, or he would not have missed the cut in 15 of his 29 tournaments in 2000.

58Forever · 01-18-2001, 03:02 PM

Hogan was nearly killed in that crash, and yes he came back to be a champion...but had he not been able to walk from hole to hole, just strike the ball, would he have been given and special considerations?...I doubt it...and knowing Hogan, he probably wouldn't have asked for any...

Martin is disabled from a congenital problem...should this be treated differently?...maybe...but the court should not be the one to decide this...some interesting quotes in the KC Star from some of the justices...second page bottom...

Riding a cart gives a golfer the advantage of not being as tired as his competitors...golf is a mentally challenging game and, although some may not believe it, physically challenging as well...if one guy is exhausted and the other guy is not...who gets the advantage...

Maybe Martin missed those cuts because he just isn't that good...

I have an idea [img]http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm/thinkerg.gif[/img] maybe they can let Martin ride alternate nines...

[Edited by 58Forever on 01-18-2001 at 03:11 PM]

01-18-2001, 03:13 PM

maybe they should uy martin a scooter...therefore he'd be pushing with his good leg while the others walk..resting his bad leg..and everyone would live happily ever after..

maybe they should let him put with a pool stick to help him make the cut more often? He could be the "tigger" for persons with disabuilities.

ROYC75 · 01-18-2001, 03:29 PM

When I was younger,played all the time.If I would ride,I would shoot 4-6 shots higher than when I walked! By walking,my arms and legs stayed loose and it gave me more time to think about my shots or the shot I just hit! By riding,I was always in a hurry to get to my ball,had to much time to wander around and not stay competitive.

Now this is just me...some of you do have a point about being stronger in the later holes by riding! Man if I walked now...I would get to the 9th hole,lest alone the 19th! 19th has always been my favorite hole!

58Forever · 01-18-2001, 03:39 PM

Royc75, when I walk I find the same thing to be true...my tempo is better, I don't rush, I have time to think about my next shot, I stay loose...but by time I hit the 16th hole, especially in hot weather, I'm dying...now if I have a good round going...I have to really bear down and concentrate...if I don't I just basically play out the last holes...the best part about riding is being able to take your clubs to your car after the round....

01-17-2001, 11:10 PM	#31
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01-17-2001, 11:41 PM	#32
5decadechiefsfan Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: las vegas, nv, usa Casino cash: $10004900	Let the young man use a cart. Make an exception in his case. He will someday lose that leg. It's pathetic that Tour players would be against him...it's even worse when former PGA players chime in. Many PGA Tour players would prefer to walk even if offered a cart...there COULD be a competetive advantage for a NON-handicapped player using a cart if it the weather was brutally hot or humid, but even with the cart Martin experiences pretty severe pain. The players on tour should let him play and use a cart. The players against him are extremely selfish and unworthy of any fan's adulation.
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01-18-2001, 10:41 AM	#33
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $1067229	I think this is insane... I'd like to know what the PGA would do if Tiger Woods were involved in a car wreck that resulted in him receiving a hip and knee replacement, then as he mounts his comeback he realizes that walking is too painful and a cart would benefit him. Would the PGA say "No, Tiger... you just have to retire, you can't use a cart b/t holes"? I seriously f'in doubt it! Yes, Martin's situation is a little different than the Woods scenario, but the underlying themes are the same. Plus, did you know this ... at the recent PGA event in Hawaii there is a large hill/incline on one of the holes and the golfers were given the option of riding a CART up the hill to the next hole. Hmmm... unless, it was the size of Everest, why couldn't they just walk? [img]http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/icw/028.gif[/img] __________________
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01-18-2001, 10:49 AM	#34
Joe Seahawk This place entertains.. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Seattle Casino cash: $5504435	I think the PGA should make an exception in this case. With that being said, I also hope the Supreme court overturns the earlier ruling that he should be able to use a cart...Confused? I'll try to clarify, I think the PGA deserves the right to make it's own rules, but I also think in this case Martin would NOT gain a competitive advantage... The PGA should be allowed to make an exception, rather than forced to accept a disabled golfer......Joe hope's that makes sense to somebody.
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01-18-2001, 11:13 AM	#35
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	oops DP [Edited by Iowanian on 01-18-2001 at 11:21 AM]
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01-17-2001, 04:14 PM
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	Now, i'll admit it: I [b]HATE[/b] golf. Can't play. Can't stand to watch. The very thought of calling these spoiled, rich brats 'athletes' makes me either want to laugh uncontrollably, or vomit(it's a fine line, you know). However, the whole Casey Martin fiasco really bugs me. Those who say that he should be able to use this cart, as a result of the disabilities act, are really disillusioned. Somehow, I doubt the NBA, NHL or NFL would allow such a thing either.If so, Joe Montana might have led the Chiefs to a couple of Super Bowl wins. I guess what it comes down to is this: is golf a 'sport'? For them to be taken seriously, they really need the Supreme Court to turn down Martins request. If Martin wins, i'll be entering my golf cart in this year's Boston Marathon. :D:
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01-18-2001, 11:20 AM	#36
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	This reminds me of an Old Stone's song...."you can't always get what you want" We can't all be professional athletes..physical limitations stop those dreams every day... I wanted to be a true athlete, a porn star, but wasn't lucky enough to be born with a pringle can.....although I may wish to play professionally, I have accepted my role as an ameture and play a hole every time I can:) Some of the fattest loads I know are golfers..they couldn't do A pushup, and are decent golfers...its an excuse to get away from a nagging wife and drink beer... Instead of carts which tear up the fairways..I propose that they get teams of midgets to carry the golfers around on the bamboo carts like Myan chieftans....I'd watch golf on TV if they had that... :D
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01-18-2001, 11:46 AM	#37
58Forever It's dejavu all over again! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: at home in my own chair Casino cash: $10004900	great point Mile High...Tiger would get some rules changed...but that still doesn't mean it is right...Casey Martin or Tiger Woods, shouldn't matter, they should not be allowed to ride unless, as Joe Seahawk says, the PGA decides they should...this should not be a court issue... The Senior PGA allows players to ride, that is there rule because they realize that older golfers may need assistance because of injury, etc...Jack Nicklaus had hip replacements and was allowed to ride...but if Joe Blow had hip replacements he too would be allowed to ride...this is the Senior PGA... Let the PGA decide this and not the courts... Hey, and Mile High, thanks for not flipping me off anymore... :) __________________ joe If the other team scores zero, three points is enough! "screw you guys, I'm going home."
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01-18-2001, 12:00 PM	#38
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $1741711	Interestingly, one of the greatest golfers of all-time did suffer a devastating accident when his car smashed into a Grayhound Bus. Both of his legs were shattered. Many thought his career was over. Within 2 years, this golfer came back to win the 1950 US Open, despite the pain and difficulties his legs gave him. I'm sure a lot of you know who I'm talking about. Here's a link to a golf magazine article describing a moment from that tournament, #1 in their list of 50 great moments in US Open History: [url]http://www.golfonline.com/news/golfweek/1998/usopen/50moments/01.html[/url] [Edited by DanT on 01-18-2001 at 12:05 PM]
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01-18-2001, 12:43 PM	#39
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I can make field goals on a regular basis. No, really! Unfortunately, my leg is quite a bit weaker than the average NFL kicker, and I don't have time to work out. Unless the NFL starts allowing field goals to be attempted with a Nerf football, they are discriminating against me and all other aspiring field goal kickers that are burdened with weak kicking legs. One of my buddies is a blind guy who wants to be a commercial airline pilot. He'll be filing a lawsuit against the FAA any day now.
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01-18-2001, 01:33 PM	#40
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $1067229	[img]http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/ruinkai/tool.gif[/img] Well, I knew that Clint would take it to the extreme. Those situations don't even compare. Martin can do everything that Tiger can do with a golf club ... he just can't physically walk from hole to hole. If he was a 300 lb tub of crap, I could expect this reaction. Yes, I knew there was a legend that did that in the 1950s. Great for him. My scenario put Tiger in a situation where he could NOT walk from hole to hole. He is worth too much $$ and too much PR for the PGA, so I gurandamntee you that they would let him drive a cart. [Edited by Mile High Mania on 01-18-2001 at 01:35 PM] __________________
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01-18-2001, 02:37 PM	#41
Bob Dole King Shit of **** Mountain Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texarkana, Texas Casino cash: $-1154563	There's actually some precedent for your legally blind friend, Clint. He should probably make sure the suit ends up in the 9th Circuit, though. And Bob Dole retracts Bob Dole's earlier statements about Martin. It's obvious that the cart does <b>not</b> give him any significant advantage, or he would not have missed the cut in 15 of his 29 tournaments in 2000.
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01-18-2001, 03:02 PM	#42
58Forever It's dejavu all over again! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: at home in my own chair Casino cash: $10004900	Hogan was nearly killed in that crash, and yes he came back to be a champion...but had he not been able to walk from hole to hole, just strike the ball, would he have been given and special considerations?...I doubt it...and knowing Hogan, he probably wouldn't have asked for any... Martin is disabled from a congenital problem...should this be treated differently?...maybe...but the court should not be the one to decide this...some interesting quotes in the KC Star from some of the justices...second page bottom... Riding a cart gives a golfer the advantage of not being as tired as his competitors...golf is a mentally challenging game and, although some may not believe it, physically challenging as well...if one guy is exhausted and the other guy is not...who gets the advantage... Maybe Martin missed those cuts because he just isn't that good... I have an idea [img]http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm/thinkerg.gif[/img] maybe they can let Martin ride alternate nines... [Edited by 58Forever on 01-18-2001 at 03:11 PM] __________________ joe If the other team scores zero, three points is enough! "screw you guys, I'm going home."
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01-18-2001, 03:13 PM	#43
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	maybe they should uy martin a scooter...therefore he'd be pushing with his good leg while the others walk..resting his bad leg..and everyone would live happily ever after.. maybe they should let him put with a pool stick to help him make the cut more often? He could be the "tigger" for persons with disabuilities.
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01-18-2001, 03:29 PM	#44
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $2297400	When I was younger,played all the time.If I would ride,I would shoot 4-6 shots higher than when I walked! By walking,my arms and legs stayed loose and it gave me more time to think about my shots or the shot I just hit! By riding,I was always in a hurry to get to my ball,had to much time to wander around and not stay competitive. Now this is just me...some of you do have a point about being stronger in the later holes by riding! Man if I walked now...I would get to the 9th hole,lest alone the 19th! 19th has always been my favorite hole! __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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01-18-2001, 03:39 PM	#45
58Forever It's dejavu all over again! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: at home in my own chair Casino cash: $10004900	Royc75, when I walk I find the same thing to be true...my tempo is better, I don't rush, I have time to think about my next shot, I stay loose...but by time I hit the 16th hole, especially in hot weather, I'm dying...now if I have a good round going...I have to really bear down and concentrate...if I don't I just basically play out the last holes...the best part about riding is being able to take your clubs to your car after the round.... __________________ joe If the other team scores zero, three points is enough! "screw you guys, I'm going home."
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