Do you believe Clinton's Pardons? - Page 3

Frazod · 01-20-2001, 01:11 PM

Slick Willy worked until the very end to screw this country. Among the scumbags he pardoned was former Illinois Congressman Mel Reynolds, who was convicted of having sex with a minor campaign worker (he's married, of course), bribery and misappropriation of funds. Reynolds is currently in jail, but not for long.

Jesse Jackson, through an attorney, issued a statement saying how happy he was that "Brother Reynolds" will be set free. After that, the news quoted some Chicago columnist, whose name I unfortunately didn't catch, who suggested that Reynolds should find a way to become vital in community again, by becoming a TEACHER. I really liked that - putting some middle-aged felon with a history of screwing teenage girls in the classroom.

Living in Chicago is enough to make any person with a shred of character and decency physically ill. Clinton really should move here now - he'd fit right in.

KCWolfman · 01-22-2001, 10:10 PM

Brad - I agree, we all screw up. But we all dont perjure ourselves in court over it and make a mockery of the justice system he is hired to defend.

Tell me, if you and your wife have a daughter who is sexually active with a 40+ year old man at the age of 16, and the current President lets him off, what would you think?

George W. will make mistakes, but I, like you, am impressed with those he surrounds himself with. Just like Reagan, where he is lacking he chooses the right piece to fill in the spots.

Frazod · 01-22-2001, 10:57 PM

In reading the posts, I realize I slightly mistated the facts. Thanks, Dan, for correcting me. Clinton didn't pardon Reynolds for being a child molester. He pardoned a convicted child molester who was in jail for for doing OTHER THINGS on top of child molesting. Boy, I feel better about the whole thing now. :mad:

Every criminal in the country missed a perfect opportunity here - rob, cheat, molest to your heart's content - and when you know the cops are closing in, mail a generous donation (procured from your last heist) to the Democratic National Party. Then just wait for the Prez to step down. Talk about a Get Out of Jail Free Card...

The most bogus pardon issued by the Republicans was obviously Ford pardoning Nixon - and logically, Ford probably knew it was the price he had to pay to get the prize. I'm not saying its right, but under the circumstances, a small price to pay to be leader of the free world for a couple of years. Clinton, on the other hand, pardoned killers, traitors, and a child molester.

Somehow I felt safer with Nixon on the street than these other turds.

Michael Michigan · 01-23-2001, 09:39 AM

Here's what Slick said, (or didn't say) about Rich:

''I'm out of office now,'' (Clinton) told reporters outside his new home in suburban Westchester County just north of New York City. ''I'm not talking anymore.''

If he'd stick with that it would be worth it. He won't shut up as long as it took Jesse to forgive himself.

DanT · 01-23-2001, 01:13 PM

This board is starting to resemble the other board in the way that language gets stretched and spun over and around facts or near-facts. I think some of the time being spent by posters coming up with exaggerated and distorted characterizations of whatever news item or public figure they happen to disagree with would be better spent trying to get the facts right and in choosing fair and accurate words to express your scorn.

Suppose you were at a diner where the soup was kind of cold and maybe had too much salt in it. You're about to let the waitress know but before you do another diner gets up angrily, overturns the table, throws the bowl of soup at the waitress and goes after the cook with a knife, muttering that he's going to make whatever sonuvabitch dared serve him cold, salty soup regret it for the rest of his life, now how's that going to make you feel toward the soup and the cook? You're probably going to soften your stance toward it, saying that it isn't really as bad as all that. Next thing you know, the cook's going to be surrounded by a handful of mildly discontented diners like you, defending him against the lunatic and enraged killer diner, which enrages the lunatic all the more because he can't believe anyone would dare defend so inept a cook.

That's what this board is starting to sound like. Now I ask you, wouldn't it be better if we all just complained to the waitress discretely, get out of paying our checks and then ambushed the cook later, kicking his a$$ in the alley, after his shift's over? Huh, wouldn't it be better to realize that, in fact, we all agreed that the soup kind of sucked?

[Edited by DanT on 01-23-2001 at 01:17 PM]

KCTitus · 01-23-2001, 01:18 PM

Wonderful analogy Dan, just to clarify, is Clinton the soup or the Cook. ;)

**Baby Lee** · 01-23-2001, 01:25 PM

DanT - problem is on both sides though. In you analogy, the angry diner with a knife would be doomed to spend the rest of his life hearing how he's not a real human being for not loving that wonderful soup. Why that soup is about the best thing I've ever tasted. And only racists and homophobes would ever even take a bite of Campbell's Chicken Noodle. Sure, that salt you tasted was the cook pissing in the soup, but EVERYBODY pisses in the soup. If you think you're gonna buy Chunky Soup and not get a mouthful of piss. And besides, pissing in the soup is a personal choice that has no effect on his qualifications as a cook. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

AWWWWWWWWWWW, SHUDDUP ALREADY!!!

DanT · 01-23-2001, 01:26 PM

He's the salt! I don't think anyone wants too much of him. ;)

Senator Clinton is the cold. [rim-shot]

DanT · 01-23-2001, 01:28 PM

:D :D :D at JC~Johnny's reply.

I especially like the "everybody pisses in the soup" excuse!

Frazod · 01-23-2001, 06:12 PM

I'm watching the Chicago news right now. Mel's plane is on the ground, and they're rolling out the red carpet for him. They've got a podium ready so he can make a speech, which the station will, of course, carry live. Mel's apparently going to give a statement thanking everyone responsible for his release. Ain't that sweet.

Sorry, Dan, but I just don't follow your analogy. I just can't see the connection between a child molesting thief and crappy bowl of soup. Perhaps I'm just dense. Or maybe I'm so disgusted and ashamed to live in this festering, corrupt, immoral abyss otherwise known as Chicago that I just don't care. From Capone to Rostenkowski to Jackson and Reynolds, this city has always embraced scum as heroes. It sickens me.

Time to start checking out jobs in KC. More than ever, I want to get the hell out of here. Until then, I'm just glad I don't have any children for Mel to molest, or enough money for him to deem me worthy of robbing.

DanT · 01-23-2001, 06:56 PM

Frazod,

I think that Americans are very fairminded people, by and large, and that they tend to react to gross distortions of another person's wrongdoings by distancing themselves from the person making the distortion, which sometimes means they find themselves defending folks who committed disgusting actions, out of sympathy for how those actions are being misrepresented. The result is that folks can get away with perjury and all kind of other ridiculous crimes if the prosecutors get perceived as persecuters. It would be better for all concerned if measured, honest and fair words were used to describe other peoples' transgressions.

That's my opinion, at least.

01-22-2001, 10:10 PM	#31
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Brad - I agree, we all screw up. But we all dont perjure ourselves in court over it and make a mockery of the justice system he is hired to defend. Tell me, if you and your wife have a daughter who is sexually active with a 40+ year old man at the age of 16, and the current President lets him off, what would you think? George W. will make mistakes, but I, like you, am impressed with those he surrounds himself with. Just like Reagan, where he is lacking he chooses the right piece to fill in the spots.
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01-22-2001, 10:57 PM	#32
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-576615	In reading the posts, I realize I slightly mistated the facts. Thanks, Dan, for correcting me. Clinton didn't pardon Reynolds for being a child molester. He pardoned a convicted child molester who was in jail for for doing OTHER THINGS on top of child molesting. Boy, I feel better about the whole thing now. :mad: Every criminal in the country missed a perfect opportunity here - rob, cheat, molest to your heart's content - and when you know the cops are closing in, mail a generous donation (procured from your last heist) to the Democratic National Party. Then just wait for the Prez to step down. Talk about a Get Out of Jail Free Card... The most bogus pardon issued by the Republicans was obviously Ford pardoning Nixon - and logically, Ford probably knew it was the price he had to pay to get the prize. I'm not saying its right, but under the circumstances, a small price to pay to be leader of the free world for a couple of years. Clinton, on the other hand, pardoned killers, traitors, and a child molester. Somehow I felt safer with Nixon on the street than these other turds.
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01-23-2001, 09:39 AM	#33
Michael Michigan scribe Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Here's what Slick said, (or didn't say) about Rich: ''I'm out of office now,'' (Clinton) told reporters outside his new home in suburban Westchester County just north of New York City. ''I'm not talking anymore.'' If he'd stick with that it would be worth it. He won't shut up as long as it took Jesse to forgive himself.
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01-23-2001, 01:13 PM	#34
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $1741711	This board is starting to resemble the other board in the way that language gets stretched and spun over and around facts or near-facts. I think some of the time being spent by posters coming up with exaggerated and distorted characterizations of whatever news item or public figure they happen to disagree with would be better spent trying to get the facts right and in choosing fair and accurate words to express your scorn. Suppose you were at a diner where the soup was kind of cold and maybe had too much salt in it. You're about to let the waitress know but before you do another diner gets up angrily, overturns the table, throws the bowl of soup at the waitress and goes after the cook with a knife, muttering that he's going to make whatever sonuvabitch dared serve him cold, salty soup regret it for the rest of his life, now how's that going to make you feel toward the soup and the cook? You're probably going to soften your stance toward it, saying that it isn't really as bad as all that. Next thing you know, the cook's going to be surrounded by a handful of mildly discontented diners like you, defending him against the lunatic and enraged killer diner, which enrages the lunatic all the more because he can't believe anyone would dare defend so inept a cook. That's what this board is starting to sound like. Now I ask you, wouldn't it be better if we all just complained to the waitress discretely, get out of paying our checks and then ambushed the cook later, kicking his a$$ in the alley, after his shift's over? Huh, wouldn't it be better to realize that, in fact, we all agreed that the soup kind of sucked? [Edited by DanT on 01-23-2001 at 01:17 PM]
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01-23-2001, 01:18 PM	#35
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	Wonderful analogy Dan, just to clarify, is Clinton the soup or the Cook. ;)
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01-20-2001, 01:11 PM
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-576615	Slick Willy worked until the very end to screw this country. Among the scumbags he pardoned was former Illinois Congressman Mel Reynolds, who was convicted of having sex with a minor campaign worker (he's married, of course), bribery and misappropriation of funds. Reynolds is currently in jail, but not for long. Jesse Jackson, through an attorney, issued a statement saying how happy he was that "Brother Reynolds" will be set free. After that, the news quoted some Chicago columnist, whose name I unfortunately didn't catch, who suggested that Reynolds should find a way to become vital in community again, by becoming a TEACHER. I really liked that - putting some middle-aged felon with a history of screwing teenage girls in the classroom. Living in Chicago is enough to make any person with a shred of character and decency physically ill. Clinton really should move here now - he'd fit right in.
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01-23-2001, 01:25 PM	#36
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $8028275	DanT - problem is on both sides though. In you analogy, the angry diner with a knife would be doomed to spend the rest of his life hearing how he's not a real human being for not loving that wonderful soup. Why that soup is about the best thing I've ever tasted. And only racists and homophobes would ever even take a bite of Campbell's Chicken Noodle. Sure, that salt you tasted was the cook pissing in the soup, but EVERYBODY pisses in the soup. If you think you're gonna buy Chunky Soup and not get a mouthful of piss. And besides, pissing in the soup is a personal choice that has no effect on his qualifications as a cook. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. AWWWWWWWWWWW, SHUDDUP ALREADY!!!
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01-23-2001, 01:26 PM	#37
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $1741711	He's the salt! I don't think anyone wants too much of him. ;) Senator Clinton is the cold. [rim-shot]
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01-23-2001, 01:28 PM	#38
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $1741711	:D :D :D at JC~Johnny's reply. I especially like the "everybody pisses in the soup" excuse!
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01-23-2001, 06:12 PM	#39
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-576615	I'm watching the Chicago news right now. Mel's plane is on the ground, and they're rolling out the red carpet for him. They've got a podium ready so he can make a speech, which the station will, of course, carry live. Mel's apparently going to give a statement thanking everyone responsible for his release. Ain't that sweet. Sorry, Dan, but I just don't follow your analogy. I just can't see the connection between a child molesting thief and crappy bowl of soup. Perhaps I'm just dense. Or maybe I'm so disgusted and ashamed to live in this festering, corrupt, immoral abyss otherwise known as Chicago that I just don't care. From Capone to Rostenkowski to Jackson and Reynolds, this city has always embraced scum as heroes. It sickens me. Time to start checking out jobs in KC. More than ever, I want to get the hell out of here. Until then, I'm just glad I don't have any children for Mel to molest, or enough money for him to deem me worthy of robbing.
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01-23-2001, 06:56 PM	#40
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $1741711	Frazod, I think that Americans are very fairminded people, by and large, and that they tend to react to gross distortions of another person's wrongdoings by distancing themselves from the person making the distortion, which sometimes means they find themselves defending folks who committed disgusting actions, out of sympathy for how those actions are being misrepresented. The result is that folks can get away with perjury and all kind of other ridiculous crimes if the prosecutors get perceived as persecuters. It would be better for all concerned if measured, honest and fair words were used to describe other peoples' transgressions. That's my opinion, at least.
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