Whitlock: Herm covering Carl's gigantic blunder - Page 3

tk13 · 01-02-2007, 02:43 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/16363662.htm

Herm covering Carl’s goof
JASON WHITLOCK
Kansas City Star

Well, Chiefs fans finally got their you-play-to-win-the-game moment from Herm Edwards, who always preaches with a purpose.

Less than 24 hours after qualifying for the playoffs, Edwards opened his New Year’s Day news conference ranting about how his Chiefs didn’t luck into or back into the playoffs.

“Let’s not get this thing twisted and think we backed into this deal,” Edwards preached with the necessary emotion to catch the eye of ESPN producers. “We didn’t lose, we won. Every team that played this weekend played at home and had an opportunity to get into the playoffs just like us. We just happened to win. What’s wrong with that? So, let’s not get it twisted and say, ‘Well, they’re lucky.’ We didn’t get lucky. We won.”

Why the unprovoked rant? Edwards said he wanted to transfer his attitude to his players and he could sense that some people thought the Chiefs were lucky.

“I’m not irritated,” Edwards said. “I’m just making a point. It’s playoff time now. I’m in a different mode, I think a real different mode all of a sudden. I’m in a different frame of mind.”

Hmm. That’s one way to look at it. There’s also another way to view Herm’s tirade.

Maybe Herm thought it was important to convince his players, the local and national media and Kansas City football fans that the Chiefs weren’t lucky because he knows Carl Peterson sent the clear message he didn’t think the Chiefs would qualify for postseason play when he placed Jason Dunn and Kyle Turley on injured reserve before the Jacksonville game.

Marinate on that for a moment.

The Chiefs won’t have the services of one of the league’s top run-blocking tight ends in a playoff game that likely will hinge on KC’s ability to control the clock with Larry Johnson.

Peterson, in my opinion, made a gigantic tactical error.

He placed Dunn, Turley and Rich Scanlon on injured reserve so the Chiefs could elevate practice-squaders Casey Printers, Chris Hannon and William Kershaw to the 53-man roster. By placing Printers, Hannon and Kershaw on the final 53-man roster it protects the Chiefs from an opposing team poaching one of the three players from KC’s practice squad this offseason.

Teams are justifiably paranoid about losing their practice-squad players. A couple of years ago, the Chiefs cut guard Ryan Lilja with the hopes they could place him on their practice squad. The Colts scooped up Lilja, and he’s been a regular starter in Indy for two years.

The Chiefs said they placed Dunn on IR because doctors won’t clear him to play now that they miraculously discovered he has a herniated disk in his back in week 16.

Dunn told me Monday that he’s played with the injury for six weeks. When he entered Arrowhead Stadium on Monday for a brief team meeting, Dunn told me he hoped the Chiefs could reverse the decision. When Dunn left Arrowhead, he told me that assistant general manager Denny Thum told him that the Chiefs regretted placing Dunn on IR and they wouldn’t have done it if they thought they were going to qualify for the playoffs.

Dunn was visibly disappointed.

“I could play four more games,” said Dunn, who admitted he’ll undergo surgery this offseason. “I’ve been playing with it.”

Dunn’s absence Saturday will place more pressure on Tony Gonzalez and Kris Wilson. Gonzalez will have more blocking responsibility.

Wilson will pull double duty between fullback and tight end. Linemen John Welbourn and Chris Bober will get some time at tight end.

Dunn’s absence hamstrings the offensive coaching staff. Dunn has never been a big part of KC’s passing game, but he’s always been a threat in KC’s pass offense. And blocking on the edge against outside linebackers and working up to safeties requires a combination of strength and athletic ability that few offensive linemen possess.

Dunn’s absence is big. But that probably won’t get talked about on ESPN this week because Herm created a nice little distraction. Herm is smart, and he’s a team player. He fell on Carl Peterson’s grenade.

recxjake · 01-02-2007, 10:42 AM

hahaha i was the first one to post anything on this right after the Denver game on Sunday.... then another guy posted about this last night and people were giving him all kinds of shit because of herms press conf..... i new this was a big mistake!

Chieftain58 · 01-02-2007, 07:57 PM

What person in their right mind wouldn't have done that.. Peterson was justified to do what he did. Whitlock said in his same statement Lija was stolen from the Chiefs and now is a full time starter for the Colts 2 years in a row. He answered his own derogetory statement in his own article. The odds were not in our favor to make the playoffs no matter what anyone says. Losing to the Browns should be proof enough.

Brock · 01-02-2007, 07:58 PM

I'm sure Peterson didn't ask Edwards what he thought.

mikey23545 · 01-02-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by recxjake

hahaha i was the first one to post anything on this right after the Denver game on Sunday.... then another guy posted about this last night and people were giving him all kinds of shit because of herms press conf..... i new this was a big mistake!

Yep, I was the other guy, and an arrogant asshat called jspchief was the one running his ignorant mouth the most about how the Chiefs would never have put Dunn on IR if he was still capable of playing.

htismaqe · 01-03-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

I'm going to cover for Carl on this one. He can't predict the future. We had a one in fifty chance of making the playoffs. Had we not made the playoffs, and those guys got snatched up, Whitlock would have called that a blunder, too.

Carl makes way too many legitimate blunders -- let's just not bash him when he actually makes the right call (or at least, a very reasonable call).

Exactly what I wanted to post.

If Carl HAD NOT put Dunn on IR and instead left these guys on the PS, we failed to qualify for the playoffs, and they had been snatched by another team, we'd be reading "Ryan Lilja" articles from Whitlock.

It wouldn't matter what Carl does, it's wrong.

htismaqe · 01-03-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

Yep, I was the other guy, and an arrogant asshat called jspchief was the one running his ignorant mouth the most about how the Chiefs would never have put Dunn on IR if he was still capable of playing.

And we still don't have PROOF that Dunn is capable of playing.

What you have is one guy, with a known axe to grind, saying that he HEARD that someone said that someone said that Dunn could still play but the Chiefs were putting him on IR anyway...

Brock · 01-03-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And we still don't have PROOF that Dunn is capable of playing.

What you have is one guy, with a known axe to grind, saying that he HEARD that someone said that someone said that Dunn could still play but the Chiefs were putting him on IR anyway...

It appears to be a quote from Dunn. What I don't get is why whitlock thinks Peterson wouldn't have cleared all of this with Edwards. As if on gameday, they were looking for Dunn and didn't know where he was.

Chiefnj · 01-03-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And we still don't have PROOF that Dunn is capable of playing.

What you have is one guy, with a known axe to grind, saying that he HEARD that someone said that someone said that Dunn could still play but the Chiefs were putting him on IR anyway...

That's not the way I read the article.

"Dunn told me Monday that he’s played with the injury for six weeks. When he entered Arrowhead Stadium on Monday for a brief team meeting, Dunn told me he hoped the Chiefs could reverse the decision. When Dunn left Arrowhead, he told me that assistant general manager Denny Thum told him that the Chiefs regretted placing Dunn on IR and they wouldn’t have done it if they thought they were going to qualify for the playoffs.

Dunn was visibly disappointed.

“I could play four more games,” said Dunn, who admitted he’ll undergo surgery this offseason. “I’ve been playing with it.”

**ChiTown** · 01-03-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And we still don't have PROOF that Dunn is capable of playing.

What you have is one guy, with a known axe to grind, saying that he HEARD that someone said that someone said that Dunn could still play but the Chiefs were putting him on IR anyway...

Yep

I hate Carl as much as anyone on this board, but this is a silly angle for Jason to be taking. An absolute no-win for Carl.

Chiefnj · 01-03-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Yep

An absolute no-win for Carl.

How is it a no-win for Carl? Has anyone been worrying that Hannon was going to be signed off the practice squad the entire season? Does anyone even know who the hell Hannon is?

Halfcan · 01-03-2007, 08:53 AM

Bigfoot has been very solid this year-turning into a great team player and a nice draft pick.

**ChiTown** · 01-03-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

How is it a no-win for Carl? Has anyone been worrying that Hannon was going to be signed off the practice squad the entire season? Does anyone even know who the hell Hannon is?

No, not really. My point was that if we didn't make the playoffs, and he didn't cover these guys, the proverbial Damnit, Carl! would be in full effect.

This is only a big deal in hindsight.

htismaqe · 01-03-2007, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

How is it a no-win for Carl? Has anyone been worrying that Hannon was going to be signed off the practice squad the entire season? Does anyone even know who the hell Hannon is?

If Hannon had been unprotected, picked up by the Chargers, and started for them next season, you bet your ****ing ass people would know who he was.

htismaqe · 01-03-2007, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

That's not the way I read the article.

"Dunn told me Monday that he’s played with the injury for six weeks. When he entered Arrowhead Stadium on Monday for a brief team meeting, Dunn told me he hoped the Chiefs could reverse the decision. When Dunn left Arrowhead, he told me that assistant general manager Denny Thum told him that the Chiefs regretted placing Dunn on IR and they wouldn’t have done it if they thought they were going to qualify for the playoffs.

Dunn was visibly disappointed.

“I could play four more games,” said Dunn, who admitted he’ll undergo surgery this offseason. “I’ve been playing with it.”

Allegedly Dunn told Whitlock he could still play - that's second-hand info for us.

However, DUNN told Whitlock that Denny Thum SAID they wouldn't have placed him on IR if they thought they would make the playoffs - that's specifically what I'm talking about.

Reerun_KC · 01-03-2007, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If Hannon had been unprotected, picked up by the Chargers, and started for them next season, you bet your ****ing ass people would know who he was.

IF being the Key word there.....

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1677500	Whitlock: Herm covering Carl's gigantic blunder http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/16363662.htm Herm covering Carl’s goof JASON WHITLOCK Kansas City Star Well, Chiefs fans finally got their you-play-to-win-the-game moment from Herm Edwards, who always preaches with a purpose. Less than 24 hours after qualifying for the playoffs, Edwards opened his New Year’s Day news conference ranting about how his Chiefs didn’t luck into or back into the playoffs. “Let’s not get this thing twisted and think we backed into this deal,” Edwards preached with the necessary emotion to catch the eye of ESPN producers. “We didn’t lose, we won. Every team that played this weekend played at home and had an opportunity to get into the playoffs just like us. We just happened to win. What’s wrong with that? So, let’s not get it twisted and say, ‘Well, they’re lucky.’ We didn’t get lucky. We won.” Why the unprovoked rant? Edwards said he wanted to transfer his attitude to his players and he could sense that some people thought the Chiefs were lucky. “I’m not irritated,” Edwards said. “I’m just making a point. It’s playoff time now. I’m in a different mode, I think a real different mode all of a sudden. I’m in a different frame of mind.” Hmm. That’s one way to look at it. There’s also another way to view Herm’s tirade. Maybe Herm thought it was important to convince his players, the local and national media and Kansas City football fans that the Chiefs weren’t lucky because he knows Carl Peterson sent the clear message he didn’t think the Chiefs would qualify for postseason play when he placed Jason Dunn and Kyle Turley on injured reserve before the Jacksonville game. Marinate on that for a moment. The Chiefs won’t have the services of one of the league’s top run-blocking tight ends in a playoff game that likely will hinge on KC’s ability to control the clock with Larry Johnson. Peterson, in my opinion, made a gigantic tactical error. He placed Dunn, Turley and Rich Scanlon on injured reserve so the Chiefs could elevate practice-squaders Casey Printers, Chris Hannon and William Kershaw to the 53-man roster. By placing Printers, Hannon and Kershaw on the final 53-man roster it protects the Chiefs from an opposing team poaching one of the three players from KC’s practice squad this offseason. Teams are justifiably paranoid about losing their practice-squad players. A couple of years ago, the Chiefs cut guard Ryan Lilja with the hopes they could place him on their practice squad. The Colts scooped up Lilja, and he’s been a regular starter in Indy for two years. The Chiefs said they placed Dunn on IR because doctors won’t clear him to play now that they miraculously discovered he has a herniated disk in his back in week 16. Dunn told me Monday that he’s played with the injury for six weeks. When he entered Arrowhead Stadium on Monday for a brief team meeting, Dunn told me he hoped the Chiefs could reverse the decision. When Dunn left Arrowhead, he told me that assistant general manager Denny Thum told him that the Chiefs regretted placing Dunn on IR and they wouldn’t have done it if they thought they were going to qualify for the playoffs. Dunn was visibly disappointed. “I could play four more games,” said Dunn, who admitted he’ll undergo surgery this offseason. “I’ve been playing with it.” Dunn’s absence Saturday will place more pressure on Tony Gonzalez and Kris Wilson. Gonzalez will have more blocking responsibility. Wilson will pull double duty between fullback and tight end. Linemen John Welbourn and Chris Bober will get some time at tight end. Dunn’s absence hamstrings the offensive coaching staff. Dunn has never been a big part of KC’s passing game, but he’s always been a threat in KC’s pass offense. And blocking on the edge against outside linebackers and working up to safeties requires a combination of strength and athletic ability that few offensive linemen possess. Dunn’s absence is big. But that probably won’t get talked about on ESPN this week because Herm created a nice little distraction. Herm is smart, and he’s a team player. He fell on Carl Peterson’s grenade.
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