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Old 01-09-2007, 01:14 PM  
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McGwire Denied
McGwire left out of this years inductees:

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Old 01-09-2007, 02:28 PM   #31
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Steriod use was legal in baseball during that time anyway.
Sorry, Bro. Steroid use has NEVER been legal in MLB. Players weren't TESTED until 2001 but it was never allowed.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:32 PM   #32
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Pujols is a complete player. 6, 8, 10 more years of this and he's first ballot. McGwire shouldn't make it even without the roid controversy.

McGwire/Sosa/Bonds symbolize the darkest era of any in the modern history of American sports. They should go down as pariahs for the credibility of the game.

I don't think we should let Bonds in on the basis that he "would have" gotten there anyway without the roids. If you let people in based on what they "would have" done, then there's no requirement for longevity anymore. A guy whose great career lasted 5 years and then was derailed by injury or something else could say, "well I would have had a great career if not for XYZ."
Great like I said if you believe that then no one from this era should be put in the HOF.......one or the other, I don't think it's right to sit there and be like "well I think this guy did it and this guy didn't" no one really knows.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:33 PM   #33
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Pujols is a complete player. 6, 8, 10 more years of this and he's first ballot. McGwire shouldn't make it even without the roid controversy.

McGwire/Sosa/Bonds symbolize the darkest era of any in the modern history of American sports. They should go down as pariahs for the credibility of the game.

I don't think we should let Bonds in on the basis that he "would have" gotten there anyway without the roids. If you let people in based on what they "would have" done, then there's no requirement for longevity anymore. A guy whose great career lasted 5 years and then was derailed by injury or something else could say, "well I would have had a great career if not for XYZ."
I think he's trying to say if Bonds had retired before he ever did roids and had big HR years he would have gotten in, which is likely true.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:35 PM   #34
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I always thought it was a joke how Bonds was held up to a different standard than Sosa and McGwire. I guess I was wrong.

There is no difference between Sosa, McGwire, and Bonds, except for the fact that without roids, Bonds is the only true HOFer.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:43 PM   #35
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Yep, I don't think any Cardinal fans on here hold him in much high esteem. He hit homers but he just didn't help the team that much. And yes...........

even at his best, Mac couldn't hold Pujols' jock.
Why would he want to hold another player's jock?
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:45 PM   #36
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Sorry, Bro. Steroid use has NEVER been legal in MLB. Players weren't TESTED until 2001 but it was never allowed.
I don't think you will find an MLB rule against them prior to a couple of years ago.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:46 PM   #37
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:49 PM   #38
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Why would he want to hold another player's jock?
He's from Orange County Calafornia. They swing both ways out there you know.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:52 PM   #39
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I don't think you will find an MLB rule against them prior to a couple of years ago.
No. It was never tested for until 2002, but it was always illegal.
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:02 PM   #40
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I don't think you will find an MLB rule against them prior to a couple of years ago.
Not against steroids specifically, but MLB has long had a rule against using drugs deemed illegal by the federal government.

Steroids were outlawed under U.S. law long before their use became prevalent in baseball.
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:11 PM   #41
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The Hall of Fame asks its voters to judge "based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

Based upon this set of criteria....Bonds should NEVER get in...he has no integrity, has no character...and has no respect for the game, or those that worship it....all we've ever heard from Bonds is how unhappy he is, and how mistreated he is...and how unfortunate...

What a certified jackass....no HOF for you. (in my opinion)
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:12 PM   #42
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Yea let's um not put people in the HOF cause we don't like them.....I guess that means a bunch of people need to be removed too.
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The Hall of Fame asks its voters to judge "based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

Based upon this set of criteria....Bonds should NEVER get in...he has no integrity, has no character...and has no respect for the game, or those that worship it....all we've ever heard from Bonds is how unhappy he is, and how mistreated he is...and how unfortunate...

What a certified jackass....no HOF for you. (in my opinion)
yep ty cobb fits that bill
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I'm obviously exaggerating a bit....but I guarantee you - my thoughts have probably come into play more than a few times by sportswriters casting their HOF votes.

Obviously I have a personal problem with someone who should be considered the luckiest in the world - plays professional baseball - is great at it - and worshipped by millions - and is rich from it - and somehow, is so ungrateful and unhappy from it.
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I would have voted him in. I think it's bullshit that he didn't get in. The stuff he admitted to using was legal at the time. McGwire and Sosa simply saved baseball from the strike.
good point, that was the most enjoyable year baseball has had since 1985.
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