Flutie and the Dolts.......Could they take the West? - Page 3

Ugly Duck · 08-14-2001, 05:52 PM

Hey.......its not too far-fetched when you think about it. They start off the season by playing Washington, Dallas, Cincinnati, Cleveland and New England. Don't laugh, but they could be 5-0 and leading the West by Week 6. They play Oakland tough. They play KC tough. If their thin O-line doesn't collapse, Flutie and an improved O might manage a near split of their remaining games giving them 10 or 11 wins. I'm not overlooking any AFC West team - too many times I've been unpleasantly surprised by the unexpected.

I am.......inhumane.

**ptlyon** · 08-15-2001, 08:03 AM

for beating me to it. I was going to say I can talk Jive too.

**alanm** · 08-15-2001, 08:59 AM

Not to mention that the Chiefs have better talent on D than Denver :D

**Lzen** · 08-15-2001, 09:09 AM

UD,
Despite the fact that you're a overraiteders fan, I'll cut you some slack. You make some very valid points about the Chargers and how their opening schedule is very favorable. However, because of the O-line, aging D, aging QB, etc., they don't have all the talent in place to challenge for the AFC West. Besides, even if you look beyond all that, who's their coach this year, Norv Turner? Norv was a great offensive coordinator but, he's not HC material, IMO.;)

The team you need to be looking out for this year is the KC Chiefs.

BIG_DADDY · 08-15-2001, 09:38 AM

No freakin way this team is going anywhere. BD says they will end up 6-10.

keg in kc · 08-15-2001, 09:48 AM

lzen, it's worse than that. Norv Turner [i]is[/i] their OC (HCotF, IMHO - poor SD) and Mike Riley is still their HC.

Ethelyn · 08-15-2001, 09:49 AM

The utilization of some of the players in SD is not up to par so . . . personally I don't think they're gonna do a thing. They could fool us, but let's not get carried away

philfree · 08-15-2001, 09:53 AM

Besides Ethelyn, When they released there best offensive player last year they greatly reduced their chances of winning.

PhilFree :cool:

Ethelyn · 08-15-2001, 09:57 AM

Darn, I didn't know that Ryan Leaf meant that much to the team:D :D :D

**ptlyon** · 08-15-2001, 11:09 AM

and the next thing you'll say is that Junior Seau isn't overrated...

Pitt Gorilla · 08-15-2001, 11:18 AM

Dude, I must be giggly today because HC's post cracked me up! I happened to skip Olbigchiefsfan's post until I read keg's post, and then THAT cracked me up!! I think dude is Boomhauer. "You know them, thar read monkey plastic poop, man." Man, I'm almost crying here!!! Hilarious!

**ptlyon** · 08-15-2001, 11:40 AM

Doesn't take much effort just to state fact...

Clint in Wichita · 08-15-2001, 11:48 AM

The Chargers will be 4th in the division, IF they overachieve.

LT already has an attitude problem, and Flutie has no targets.

**ptlyon** · 08-15-2001, 11:52 AM

... can't stand to have a pi$$ing match with someone who's smarter than me...

keg in kc · 08-15-2001, 11:52 AM

Got to disagree, JQ.

[i]now that Raylee's healthy and they added Wiley their D-line is tough!...[/i]

Their d-line was tough last year, too. Nobody is disputing that. They'll continue to have one of the stiffest run defenses in the league.

[i]Their LB core and safeties are solid[/i]

Their LB core exemplifies the entire problem with the defense -- they're big and they hit hard, which is great against the run, but they're not very good in pass protection. As for the safeties, Harrison is solid, but Rogers Beckett isn't anything to write home about, at least not yet.

[i]...and they added McNeil and Molden at corner who are improvements over what they had.... [/i]

Yeah, the problem is that Harrison is [i]still[/i] the only solid player in their secondary. They may be improved slightly, which means they'll only give up 3600 yards and 29 TDs through the air, a marked improvement from last year's numbers (3786 yd, 33 td).

[i]SD will be no layup for anybody IMO... and Seattle is the team from the West I look forward to playing the least this year....[/i]

No team in the West is [i]ever[/i] a layup for anyone. I think SD will, however end up a 6-10 or 7-9 team. There are way too many problems left with that squad.

As for Seattle, I don't think they'll be that much improved in 2000, either. I question several of their personnel decisions, although to be frank, their defense was [b]so[/b] bad last year that they probably can't do anything [i]but[/i] improve. I put them in the KC range, somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7.

Any team in the division could end up on top, though. It's happened before. I just happen to think that SD is the longest shot of the 5 teams, especially with LT holding out. He's their offense, not Flutie, and I'm beginning to think he'll be lucky to last 12 games.

keg in kc · 08-15-2001, 12:17 PM

It's not just the blitzing JQ, their linebackers looked like fools in pass coverage more times than not last year, at least in several of the games I saw them play. They'll do well against you guys again unless Gannon has found a hidden reserve of arm strength and can throw a spiral over 25 yards. Otherwise, the dink-and-dunk just won't work well against their defense. Any team that can stretch the field, however (like us and like Denver), will have an absolute field day with them.

McNeil didn't impress me with Dallas. They needed to seriously address their CB position in 2001 and I don't think they did it.

3600 and 29 were just some random numbers for the sake of discussion. Not meant to be taken seriously...

In my opinion they're going to have the "KC in the playoffs" syndrome in 2001, again -- it won't matter how good the defense plays if the offense can't put any points on the board.

Some people have talked about their easy early-season schedule, but I think they'll be lucky to be 3-2 against Washington, Dallas, Cincinnati, Cleveland and New England, because they'll have trouble scoring against 3 of those teams (DC, Cincinnati and NE).

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Ugly Duck MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Petaluma, CA, USA Casino cash: $9955920	Flutie and the Dolts.......Could they take the West? Hey.......its not too far-fetched when you think about it. They start off the season by playing Washington, Dallas, Cincinnati, Cleveland and New England. Don't laugh, but they could be 5-0 and leading the West by Week 6. They play Oakland tough. They play KC tough. If their thin O-line doesn't collapse, Flutie and an improved O might manage a near split of their remaining games giving them 10 or 11 wins. I'm not overlooking any AFC West team - too many times I've been unpleasantly surprised by the unexpected. I am.......inhumane.
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08-15-2001, 08:03 AM	#31
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08-15-2001, 09:09 AM	#33
Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-559308	UD, Despite the fact that you're a overraiteders fan, I'll cut you some slack. You make some very valid points about the Chargers and how their opening schedule is very favorable. However, because of the O-line, aging D, aging QB, etc., they don't have all the talent in place to challenge for the AFC West. Besides, even if you look beyond all that, who's their coach this year, Norv Turner? Norv was a great offensive coordinator but, he's not HC material, IMO.;) The team you need to be looking out for this year is the KC Chiefs. __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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08-15-2001, 09:38 AM	#34
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	lzen, it's worse than that. Norv Turner [i]is[/i] their OC (HCotF, IMHO - poor SD) and Mike Riley is still their HC.
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08-15-2001, 09:49 AM	#36
Ethelyn Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Houston Casino cash: $10004900	The utilization of some of the players in SD is not up to par so . . . personally I don't think they're gonna do a thing. They could fool us, but let's not get carried away __________________ Ethelyn L.
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Ethelyn Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Houston Casino cash: $10004900	Darn, I didn't know that Ryan Leaf meant that much to the team:D :D :D __________________ Ethelyn L.
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08-15-2001, 11:09 AM	#39
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Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $-19806	Dude, I must be giggly today because HC's post cracked me up! I happened to skip Olbigchiefsfan's post until I read keg's post, and then THAT cracked me up!! I think dude is Boomhauer. "You know them, thar read monkey plastic poop, man." Man, I'm almost crying here!!! Hilarious! __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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08-15-2001, 11:48 AM	#42
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	The Chargers will be 4th in the division, IF they overachieve. LT already has an attitude problem, and Flutie has no targets.
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08-15-2001, 11:52 AM	#43
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08-15-2001, 12:17 PM	#45
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	It's not just the blitzing JQ, their linebackers looked like fools in pass coverage more times than not last year, at least in several of the games I saw them play. They'll do well against you guys again unless Gannon has found a hidden reserve of arm strength and can throw a spiral over 25 yards. Otherwise, the dink-and-dunk just won't work well against their defense. Any team that can stretch the field, however (like us and like Denver), will have an absolute field day with them. McNeil didn't impress me with Dallas. They needed to seriously address their CB position in 2001 and I don't think they did it. 3600 and 29 were just some random numbers for the sake of discussion. Not meant to be taken seriously... In my opinion they're going to have the "KC in the playoffs" syndrome in 2001, again -- it won't matter how good the defense plays if the offense can't put any points on the board. Some people have talked about their easy early-season schedule, but I think they'll be lucky to be 3-2 against Washington, Dallas, Cincinnati, Cleveland and New England, because they'll have trouble scoring against 3 of those teams (DC, Cincinnati and NE).
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