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Old 10-06-2008, 12:45 AM   #1
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I am in the Steve Spagnuolo boat.
i like this

we can make an offer to a coach who is under contract as long as the offer is for a promotion... that is the rule, right?

if so.... perhaps we can replace gunther with a man who is also a 4-3 guy and has worked with steve in the past.

we could make an offer to ron rivera while we are at it, no?
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:47 AM   #2
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i like this

we can make an offer to a coach who is under contract as long as the offer is for a promotion... that is the rule, right?

if so.... perhaps we can replace gunther with a man who is also a 4-3 guy and has worked with steve in the past.

we could make an offer to ron rivera while we are at it, no?
Why Ron Rivera? What has he done?
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Old 10-06-2008, 01:18 AM   #3
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Why Ron Rivera? What has he done?
until he took the lb coach with the bolts, he had been on teams that were tough defensively, has consistently been on teams who have not only been to the playoffs but have actually made it to the divisional championship game.

as a defensive coordinator for chicago, he did this:

2003 - 21.6 ppg allowed (year before Rivera)

2004 - 20.7 ppg allowed
2005 - 13.6 ppg allowed
2006 - 15.9 ppg allowed

2003 - 19 sacks (year before Rivera)

2004 - 32 sacks
2005 - 41 sacks
2006 - 38 sacks

2003 - 78.8 qb rating against (year before Rivera)

2004 - 76.86 qb rating against
2005 - 62.57 qb rating against
2006 - 65.58 qb rating against

2003 - 309.2 yards allowed per game (year before Rivera)

2004 - 336.9 yards allowed per game
2005 - 290.8 yards allowed per game
2006 - 295.2 yards allowed per game

the year he leaves chicago... most of their stats begin to sink again

2007 - 21.8 ppg allowed
2007 - 42 sacks
2007 - 82.81 qb rating against
2007 - 354.7 yards allowed per game

they guy is a proven defensive leader and chicago made a big mistake in letting him go and in a situation where steve would be the hc for the chiefs it is a match made in heaven. not only are they of the same mind defensively... they have also worked on the same staff so are already acquainted.

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Old 10-06-2008, 01:36 AM   #4
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until he took the lb coach with the bolts, he had been on teams that were tough defensively, has consistently been on teams who have not only been to the playoffs but have actually made it to the divisional championship game.

as a defensive coordinator for chicago, he did this:

2003 - 21.6 ppg allowed
2004 - 20.7 ppg allowed
2005 - 13.6 ppg allowed
2006 - 15.9 ppg allowed

2003 - 19 sacks
2004 - 32 sacks
2005 - 41 sacks
2006 - 38 sacks

2003 - 78.8 qb rating against
2004 - 76.86 qb rating against
2005 - 62.57 qb rating against
2006 - 65.58 qb rating against

2003 - 309.2 yards allowed per game
2004 - 336.9 yards allowed per game
2005 - 290.8 yards allowed per game
2006 - 295.2 yards allowed per game

the year he leaves chicago... most of their stats begin to sink again

2007 - 21.8 ppg allowed
2007 - 42 sacks
2007 - 82.81 qb rating against
2007 - 354.7 yards allowed per game

they guy is a proven defensive leader and chicago made a big mistake in letting him go and in a situation where steve would be the hc for the chiefs it is a match made in heaven. not only are they of the same mind defensively... they have also worked on the same staff so are already acquainted.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:50 AM   #5
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I am in the Steve Spagnuolo boat. He runs a Jim Johnson-esque 4-3 for the Giants. Our defense is best equipped for that style. He's defensive-minded and only 48. And he's not a cover 2 bitch. And he obviously knows D-Linemen. Who better to bring in to develop tank, dorsey and turk as well as to find a gem of a RDE?
I'd be cool with him, I love what he's done in NY.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:30 AM   #6
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Spagnuolo makes a ton of money to be a DC, he can basically call his shot on the job he wants.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:38 AM   #7
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I wonder if Spagnuolo would even consider it.

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On February 7th, 2008 he took his name out of consideration for the head coaching position of the Washington Redskins, citing the fact that he didn't feel ready to be a head coach. People speculated that he did not like the fact that the coordinators were already installed, but he stated he had no problems with them. The same day, the New York Giants made Spagnuolo the highest paid defensive coordinator with a 3 year contract for 2 million dollars each year[3].
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:43 AM   #8
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I wonder if Spagnuolo would even consider it.
He said no to the Redskins, he can basically call his shot, you can believe if he has no say he's gonna turn the job down.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:52 AM   #9
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He said no to the Redskins, he can basically call his shot, you can believe if he has no say he's gonna turn the job down.
Snyder is the second coming of AD. We can hope that after AD dies, snyder changes teams.

I just want to see our defense crashing through offenses rather than this bend but don't break bullshit. Spagnuolo also has coached every defensive position. My worry is that he may not be great at developing players. He came to the giants in 2007. That by no means inspires confidence on that level for me. I guess he was with the Iggles during their glory years. But was that him developing them or Johnson? I guess it's just a risk you have to take.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:51 AM   #10
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Spagnuolo's honeymoon would last 1 day - right up until the point he says he's keeping his good friend Dick Curl on staff.

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Old 10-06-2008, 12:54 AM   #11
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Spagnuolo's honeymoon would last 1 day - right up until the point he says he's keeping his good friend Dick Curl on staff.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=178986
He can keep him on staff. Just get him the **** away from the QBs.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:55 AM   #12
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Spagnuolo's honeymoon would last 1 day - right up until the point he says he's keeping his good friend Dick Curl on staff.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=178986
Well not every coach thinks hiring their friends is a good idea when the friend isn't good at what he does.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:57 AM   #13
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Well not every coach thinks hiring their friends is a good idea when the friend isn't good at what he does.
Tell that to Don Shula.

Or Dick Vermeil (see Mike White, Greg Robinson, et al).

And many, many more...
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:58 AM   #14
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Tell that to Don Shula.

Or Dick Vermeil (see Mike White, Greg Robinson, et al).

And many, many more...
When guys get old I think their ideas change, Vermiel just wanted people he was familiar with, hell he wanted to guys guys like Hicks for that reason.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:59 AM   #15
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Hell, fire Dick Curl before he gets here! Problem solved.
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