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Old 12-22-2008, 04:19 PM  
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home electrical help....
Hopefully I can explain this correctly and someone may have an answer....

I live in a 2 story house... have seperate heat/air units for upstairs and down. Recently the overhead lights and wall recepts quit working in the kitchen (on one wall only), utlity room, and garage... upstairs heat and hot water tank works, downstairs hot water tank works, but heating unit (downstairs) is in same closet and it doesn't. The kitchen, utility room, and garage are all in line on the back side of the downstairs part of the house. I am not an electrician by any stretch of the imagination, but I have checked the fuse panel and found none of the breakers tripped. Could I have a blown fuse? If so, how do I pull them from the fuse box, or even better how do I test them before pulling to see if one is blown? Any serious help would be appreciated.... it is getting verrrrry cold downstairs!!!!
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Old 12-22-2008, 04:56 PM   #31
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Save yourself a lot of headache and just call an electrician. It will be expensive, but not as expensive as a hospital bill or replacing the house 'cause you burned it down messing with the wiring
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Your hot water heaters are working because they either are gas and do not require electricity or are electric but on a separate circuit of 220 volts.

Do you have gas heat or electric?

If your heater is gas, it should just be 110 volts for the fan and such. If your heater plugs into an outlet (mine does as well as the chuch's parsonage though some are wired directly), you could temporarily get the heater going by running a heavy duty extension cord from that closet to a working outlet.
It is a gas heater, that is a good thought, I will try that when I get home.
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Old 12-22-2008, 04:58 PM   #32
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Do breakers sometimes need to be replaced? Is this something it would be worth me troubleshooting or should I stop the Tim Allen impersonation and just call an electrician?

Yes breakers can go bad, though I can only remember one that I had to replace and it was at the church on a ciruit handling our power amps, if you turned everything on at once the breaker would pop. It poped so much if finally quit reseting.

Do you know which breaker runs that circuit?
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Old 12-22-2008, 04:59 PM   #33
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It is a gas heater, that is a good thought, I will try that when I get home.

Dude this is a temporary fix at best and make sure it's a heavy duty cord. You may have to re-light the pilot too depending upon your heating unit.
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:40 PM   #34
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You may have lost an entire phase coming in to the house. As if one of the knife switches at the utility pole is open! If you lose (sorry) - loose a ground wire things act really weird!
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:45 PM   #35
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Thanks for all your help and suggestions, I am getting ready to leave the office and go home to try the Tim Allen approach one more time (minus the pliers and penny!!!) before giving up and calling an electrician.
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:47 PM   #36
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You may have lost an entire phase coming in to the house. As if one of the knife switches at the utility pole is open! If you lose (sorry) - loose a ground wire things act really weird!
Good idea, but most homes run off of single phase.
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:12 PM   #37
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Dude, seriously. When in doubt, call a pro.

I had a wannabe electrician live in my old house previous to me. This guy was lucky he didn't kill me an my family. I had a situation like you. 2 story house. House added onto like 4 times. Covered up all entry points and junction boxes. If I knew the guy who did the previous work, I would probably kick him in the balls. 3/4 of my entire upstairs was fed by one outlet of romex (newer wire) that then fed miles and miles of know and tube. I actually had a junction box placed behind an upstairs bathroom mirror. It was the biggest mickey mouse POS I've ever seen in my life.
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:23 PM   #38
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Troubleshooting electrical problems can be a nightmare, even for the pro's. It's worth the money to get an electrician to do the looking beyond what you've done so far. They have neat little gadgets that they can put around wires and plug in outlets that help them identify the problem and fix it before you freeze off important body parts without getting electroshock therapy.
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:32 PM   #39
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Look for a "sub panel". If there has been work on your electrical system you could very well have a sub panel. You are going out and looking at the main panel for an open breaker. There could be an open breaker at your sub panel somewhere else which is being fed by the main panel.

Also, did you flick your breaker off before flicking it back on? If a breaker trips you need to turn it all the way off and then on to reset it.

I am not an electrician, but I am a lineman for the power company and I have dealt a little with this type of stuff. High voltage is what I do, but I do know somethings about trouble shooting house wiring.

P.M. me with your number and I will give you a call if you like. No guarantee, but maybe I can save you from paying someone to come over and him finding an easy fix.
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Do breakers sometimes need to be replaced? Is this something it would be worth me troubleshooting or should I stop the Tim Allen impersonation and just call an electrician?
Call an electrician. It sounds like the house has been gerry-wired. Let him figure it out before you burn it down.
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Keep in mind that when electricity is involved....I make Tim Taylor nervous.


I've had something similar before, to a laundry and bathroom. In my case, it was that one of the actual breakers, that you pull from the panel....was smoked.

It could be a bad breaker itself.
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