KU Self Cheating in Recruiting - Page 3

ChiefsCountry · 01-19-2009, 09:18 PM

And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive.

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html

KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit

LAWRENCE | Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield.

Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings.

“Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.”

A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished.

Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.”

NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.”

The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.”

The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall.

Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami.

The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13

Tactical Funky · 01-19-2009, 10:53 PM

Self knows exactly what he's doing. Not a big deal; he's just toeing the line like many other coaches have for a prized recruit.

BWillie · 01-19-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tactical Funky

Self knows exactly what he's doing. Not a big deal; he's just toeing the line like many other coaches have for a prized recruit.

You are probably right. It probably got John Wall to know how much he's wanted by Self. If he comes to KU, I'll take a warning from the NCAA's or whatever little BS they will pull.

**Reaper16** · 01-19-2009, 11:22 PM

That sure seemed like a "greeting" to me. Much ado about nothing.

Ultra Peanut · 01-19-2009, 11:28 PM

That's not cheating. That's walking to the edge and not going over.

P.S. Henry + Wall + Cousins BANK IT!

ChiefsCountry · 01-19-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

That's not cheating. That's walking to the edge and not going over.

P.S. Henry + Wall + Cousins BANK IT!

Calpari and one of your assitants were in Springfield over the weekend.

Ultra Peanut · 01-19-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Calpari and one of your assitants were in Springfield over the weekend.

Probably Antigua. That guy has already been great about tapping into the east coast and Florida scenes.

KCChiefsMan · 01-20-2009, 01:40 AM

did Self start the conversation with "Hi" or "Hello"

???

Silock · 01-20-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DJay23

I think the fact that he told the kid he wasn't supposed to be talking to him and the fact that he then reported it shows it is a violation.

I think it shows that he wanted to avoid committing a violation by saying anything more than a greeting. The fact that he reported it means that he wasn't trying to hide it, just in case it got reported as a violation.

He still should have known better.

Braincase · 01-20-2009, 06:49 AM

KU should receive the same punishment as any other school in the same situation. Question is, did Wall initiate the contact by saying "hi" to Coach Self? I think that might have an impact on the situation.

When it comes to the rules, KU has to follow them like everybody else.

CoMoChief · 01-20-2009, 07:11 AM

eh who gives a shit. as long as he doesn't pull a Sampson or anyone from KU boosters gets caught giving him money etc this thing will blow away as if it never happened.

**the Talking Can** · 01-20-2009, 07:19 AM

rebuilding, get over it...

bkkcoh · 01-20-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan

did Self start the conversation with "Hi" or "Hello"

???

He shouldn't have put himself in the position to be able to be in contact with the potential recruit it if was a violation of the rules. I don't think he could claim ignorance of the rules.

Now, I will be one of the first one's to admit that there are some pretty stupid rules that the NCAA needs to look into, but currently they are existing rules.

**Saulbadguy** · 01-20-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

That's not cheating. That's walking to the edge and not going over.

P.S. Henry + Wall + Cousins BANK IT!

Cousins is taking an official visit to K-State...and NC State.

...and Memphis.

Gag.

**Saulbadguy** · 01-20-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

He shouldn't have put himself in the position to be able to be in contact with the potential recruit it if was a violation of the rules. I don't think he could claim ignorance of the rules.

Now, I will be one of the first one's to admit that there are some pretty stupid rules that the NCAA needs to look into, but currently they are existing rules.

I think that is the issue, waiting outside a locker room to initiate contact with a potential recruit when you know you shouldn't.

Brock · 01-20-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

When it comes to the rules, KU has to follow them like everybody else.

Ha. If KU followed the rules, they'd be the only one doing so.

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