Chiefs Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future - Page 3

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 04:15 PM

Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality.

I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them.

Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a sh*tty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around.

Seriously, it shouldn't take a ****n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for **** sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself.

I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this ****n sh*t!! When Herm was here, they signed these ****n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping.

Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, **** off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is ****n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sh*t they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be.

You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There is no excuse for this bullsh*t that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap.

I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.

Micjones · 09-28-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

We're led into believing this team is gonna turn it around. The way they sell themselves to the fans leading them into believing that what they are doing is "the right way" when clearly its not. it just leads to the same old, losses. As a fan you expect to see good things , you're hoping that it'll turn around but it doesn't.

You know the way they operate is not gonna build a winner, but yet you expect a winner. They do the same thing, leading you to believe it is right, and you expect and hope for a winner. That's insanity my friend.

Bunch of ****n a**holes they are.

Having a conniption every week after a loss when you know the team isn't very good can't be defined as insanity?

**Dartgod** · 09-28-2009, 05:29 PM

at the people here, ready to throw in the towel on a front office three games into their first season.

****ing classic...

Micjones · 09-28-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

at the people here, ready to throw in the towel on a front office three games into their first season.

****ing classic...

And somehow despite all of the outrage last week some of our dear friends here at CP were STILL able to take it to another level last night.

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

How do you know this? You say you're no psychic, but you certainly are presenting yourself as having all the facts when we are 3 games into the first year of the new regime.

Do I think Pioli is going to build a consistent winner? Who the hell knows. His moves didn't thrill me this off-season, but I'd rather take a year to evaluate an entire operation than to blow money needlessly. But there were few free agents that were going to bridge the talent gap we had going into this season.

You can be mad he didn't address things, but saying that we will never be good, it's the same old shit, is complete and utter nonsense.

There is nothing about this season that reminds of me of a Carl Peterson team.

Are we terrible? Yes. But I really think some would rather just be 8-8 with a few free agent additions than really weeding through this roster.

If Pioli sucks in a year and 4 months from now, you can say it's much the same, but it sounds like you expected Pioli to fix the mistakes made over an entire decade over one off-season. Not possible.

The Bad Guy,

I want you to understand I have nothing against Pioli. I don't think it's his fault mainly because I believe football operations really boils down to who owns the team. Im not a big fan of Clark Hunt. I hate to admit it, but, I don't have faith in the guy.

Look, all Im trying to say is the philosophy and mentality at Arrowhead hasn't changed. Just because the Chiefs have a new regime it doesn't equate to anything. The owner ultimately calls the shots in the end.

You can't build a team with scrubs? Its that simple. When you see the Chiefs trying to upgrade a position they're weak at with a sh*t player. It makes you kinda wonder. I am mad you know why? Because it really seems like this is a franchise that is not dedicated to winning. When you're weak at a position, the proper thing to do is go out and get yourself a player who is better then the player you currently have. It's that simple. Not replace a scrub with another scrub? Such is the case when they replaced McIntosh with Ndukwe. Thats just an example of what Im talking about.

It doesn't take a genious to figure this out. When "GOOD" players are available in FA they act passive all the time. There is no excuse. They have chances, instead they sign 2nd, 3rd tier players, we've seen it with Herm and now were seeing it with pioli. Again, this philosophy and mentality is the reason why they are losers.

Brock · 09-28-2009, 05:40 PM

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Who are the players you would have brought in?

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-28-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

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Can I answer this?

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Who are the players you would have brought in?

Don't try to make a fool out of me. Go ask yourself that question.

Brock · 09-28-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Don't try to make a fool out of me. Go ask yourself that question.

I don't really have to try to make a fool out of you, unless you're admitting you can't answer the question intelligently.

Brock · 09-28-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Can I answer this?

I don't mind if you do. I just don't think the thread starter can. After you do, I'm sure he'll quote your post and say "this" or something equally unoriginal.

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I don't really have to try to make a fool out of you, unless you're admitting you can't answer the question intelligently.

I don't want to answer that question.

Because I have a feeling that if I did you'd flip it back in my face and try to look for ways to make me feel stupid. I know you're type bud.

Simplex3 · 09-28-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Yes they did.

What difference does it make when you replace Damion McIntosh with Ndukwe? All you're doing is getting rid of a junk and replacing that position with another junk.

One is a vet at the end of his career and one is young and *may* have an upside. I believe he's also cheaper.

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What difference does it make when you gid rid of Donnie Edwards and replace him with Mike Vrabel? Both old aging players clearly on the verge of being at the end of their football careers.

One isn't as old as the other and knows the new defensive scheme. He's also been healthy.

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What difference does it make when you replace Jeff Webb with Terrence Copper? What difference does it make when you sign Mike Goff and replace Adrian Jones?

Not much. Certainly wasn't a step backwards.

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Regardless the moves are the same. You replace one scrap with another. Replace one cheap with another cheap. And you replace one old with another old. I thought positions are suposed to be upgraded? In the Chiefs case its not. Like I said, earlier, you cant expect to have a good football team when you try to create it with scrubs. If you don't have talent you aint winning its that simple, but yet were being told this is the "right way." this is the remedy of a team that will be 3-13.

Same philosophy, same mentality and thats why they will continue to suck because they ain't gonna change the way they operate.

You should send your resume to Clark Hunt. He probably needs a good laugh.

Simplex3 · 09-28-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Trading for a backup QB from a "dynasty"? Check
Passing on developing a franchise QB in the draft? Check
Working with a good ole boy network? Check.

When you're trying to get things done at work I can assume you never work with the same supplier/subcontractor/vendor twice.

Brock · 09-28-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I don't want to answer that question.

Because I have a feeling that if I did you'd flip it back in my face and try to look for ways to make me feel stupid. I know you're type bud.

You can't answer the question. I know your type too. ==>

Simplex3 · 09-28-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

The Bad Guy,

I want you to understand I have nothing against Pioli. I don't think it's his fault mainly because I believe football operations really boils down to who owns the team. Im not a big fan of Clark Hunt. I hate to admit it, but, I don't have faith in the guy.

Then you need to change allegiances, because the chances of Clark selling are near 0.

Simplex3 · 09-28-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I don't want to answer that question.

Because I have a feeling that if I did you'd flip it back in my face and try to look for ways to make me feel stupid. I know you're type bud.

Oh, sweet irony...

09-28-2009, 04:15 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality. I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them. Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a shtty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around. Seriously, it shouldn't take a *n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself. I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this *n sht!! When Herm was here, they signed these **n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping. Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is *n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sht they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be. You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sht. There is no excuse for this bullsht that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap. I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.
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