Vermeil's philosophy

[Rain Man]

QB, RDE, RB, LT, shutdown CB. The first five things you want.

[Chris Meck]

I could not disagree more with Vermeil's statement, and I think his tenure here with the Chiefs does as much to disprove the theory as anything.

I think you build a good football team from the line out, on both offense AND defense. I think the big boys up front make your skill position players.

Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, and Tait. How many pro bowls there?

What was Priest Holmes before he ran behind that line? Pretty average. What was Trent Green? A little above average maybe? What was Larry Johnson after Roaf and Shields retired? 2.7 ypc.

I say a great line can give an average QB extra time to make his reads and deliver the ball. More time for WR's to clear coverage. Bigger holes for RB's to run through. In Priest's case, more TIME to sort of glide sideways and pick a crease. Man, sometimes there'd be all friggin' day for him to wait for one. It was that line, man. Priest's biggest gift was his PATIENCE.Give me a great o-line on offense.

A studly front 4 (or in a 3-4, the front 3 and maybe one stud pass rushing OLB) on defense and all the sudden those corners look great because they don't have to defend but about 10 yards of the field. QB's have no time to progress through their reads, get flustered, and make bad decisions. RB's get tired of having no where to run and get tentative. I think the front line has more to do with a great secondary than you might think.

I really think it's STILL all about the big boys up front, and that without quality line play you're not going anywhere.

[Oz_Chief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I could not disagree more with Vermeil's statement, and I think his tenure here with the Chiefs does as much to disprove the theory as anything.

I think you build a good football team from the line out, on both offense AND defense. I think the big boys up front make your skill position players.

Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, and Tait. How many pro bowls there?

What was Priest Holmes before he ran behind that line? Pretty average. What was Trent Green? A little above average maybe? What was Larry Johnson after Roaf and Shields retired? 2.7 ypc.

I say a great line can give an average QB extra time to make his reads and deliver the ball. More time for WR's to clear coverage. Bigger holes for RB's to run through. In Priest's case, more TIME to sort of glide sideways and pick a crease. Man, sometimes there'd be all friggin' day for him to wait for one. It was that line, man. Priest's biggest gift was his PATIENCE.Give me a great o-line on offense.

A studly front 4 (or in a 3-4, the front 3 and maybe one stud pass rushing OLB) on defense and all the sudden those corners look great because they don't have to defend but about 10 yards of the field. QB's have no time to progress through their reads, get flustered, and make bad decisions. RB's get tired of having no where to run and get tentative. I think the front line has more to do with a great secondary than you might think.

I really think it's STILL all about the big boys up front, and that without quality line play you're not going anywhere.

Those are very good fundamental points. I think that, in general, plays that last longer are an advantage to the offense. For example, a receiver can usually break free from coverage if given enough time. So, one philosophy could be to lengthen plays when on offense and shorten plays when on defense. I think the key to achieving this is with solid line play.

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

QB, RDE, RB, LT, shutdown CB. The first five things you want.

That sounds about right.

[philfree]

What ever DV said he turned around and made sure he had the best o line in the league. So...with a grain of salt please.


PhilFree

[MahiMike]

13-3 sounds niiiiiiice.

[Sweet Dick Willy]

Just draft O-line in round 1 every year; instant success.

[Rigodan]

I'd want my 3 best players to play QB, DE, and WR.

How many Superbowls have we seen lately that have been won with a drive in the last 2 minutes of the game? I want a QB that can lead that game winning drive and a WR for him to throw it too. Of course, I'd want the DE to stop the other teams game winning drive.

I don't think LT is as important if you have a great QB. Elite QB's get rid of the ball on time so you can get by with average pass protection.

[Hammock Parties]

LT, QB, DE/OLB would be a better philosophy.

If your quarterback is good enough you can win with a lot of wide receivers. See Peyton Manning and Brett Favre. I don't know what QB holds the record for most 1,000-yard WRs, but I'd bet it's Brett Favre.

[DaneMcCloud]

Vermeil ****ed this franchise for half a decade or more.

I can't even believe his name is spoken.

[tk13]

RB, RG, Nickel CB, Punter. That's where it's at.

[tk13]

In reality, if you're going for three positions... QB, LT, pass rusher.

There's really more than one way to do it... there have been good QB's who have never won anything. And teams with no-name offensive lines. But you have to at least have someone playing at a 1st round level over there. Just watch, if the Saints LT doesn't step up the Saints are gonna get run out of the playoffs. Especially having to go up against the pass rush the Vikings, Eagles, or Cowboys are going to bring. At least in recent times, great pass rushes have beaten the great offenses. That's why the Colts, Steelers, and Giants have won. It's the only way to neutralize all these teams that spread it out.

[Extra Point]

O: QB, C, RB

D: ILB, NT, SS