Chiefs Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs - Page 3

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2010, 01:02 PM

Giving him a ranking of 463 yards below replacement level.

QBs who finished behind Cassel: Stafford and Russell.

QBs who finished ahead of Cassel: Everyone else in the NFL who threw more than 100 passes.

On a positive note, he was 38/46 on a per play basis, narrowly edging out Josh Freeman.

On another positive note, Brodie Croyle would have finished 25 had he accumulated enough attempts.

Top 5 QBs (In order)

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Rivers
4. Brees
5. Favre

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Fish · 01-08-2010, 01:34 PM

But all we have to do is provide Cassel with the 2003 Chiefs OLine, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Chris Carter, and bring back Gonzalez, and we're ****ing SB bound!

It's a process.....

DaWolf · 01-08-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

PASSING, OTHERS: 10-99 passes

Player	Team	DYAR	YAR	DVOA	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
T.Jackson	MIN	111	132	80.2%	97.7%	21	201	249	1	0	0	0	66.7%
B.Croyle	KC	80	41	20.3%	5.3%	43	212	323	2	1	0	0	57.5%
D.Carr	NYG	72	84	23.8%	29.5%	35	213	265	1	1	0	0	65.6%
B.Volek	SD	72	83	22.2%	27.0%	32	230	272	1	0	0	1	64.5%
C.Pennington	MIA	23	55	-6.6%	-0.1%	78	383	436	1	1	1	1	70.8%
M.Vick	PHI	6	13	-4.7%	3.0%	13	86	82	1	0	0	0	46.2%
B.Hoyer	NE	6	7	-7.9%	-7.2%	29	124	146	0	0	0	0	70.4%
M.Leinart	ARI	4	25	-10.4%	-6.1%	80	445	401	0	0	0	3	66.2%
D.Dixon	PIT	-5	-29	-14.7%	-30.2%	26	145	114	1	0	0	1	46.2%
M.Flynn	GB	-31	-26	-46.0%	-39.8%	14	88	29	0	0	0	1	58.3%
Player	Team	DYAR	YAR	DVOA	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
K.Clemens	NYJ	-38	-48	-33.8%	-39.8%	29	105	83	0	1	0	0	52.0%
M.Brunell	NO	-67	-109	-46.3%	-68.3%	31	93	62	0	0	0	1	50.0%
J.T.O'Sullivan	CIN	-77	-102	-143.9%	-186.7%	14	9	-58	0	0	2	0	40.0%
C.Frye	OAK	-78	-55	-23.1%	-19.6%	94	550	418	1	0	0	4	62.4%
T.Collins	WAS	-79	-63	-71.5%	-59.6%	26	123	-2	0	2	0	0	52.2%
B.Brohm	BUF	-83	-42	-51.2%	-31.5%	31	138	54	0	0	0	2	58.6%
C.Painter	IND	-133	-192	-78.9%	-109.5%	31	67	-23	0	0	1	2	28.6%
C.Simms	DEN	-171	-159	-154.0%	-144.2%	22	-16	-135	0	0	1	1	29.4%
D.Stanton	DET	-242	-295	-74.8%	-88.6%	57	236	-23	0	0	1	6	51.0%

but Brodie Croyle sucks

Well if we're using this as the measure, he sure does because of his #40 ranking in 2007, cause you can't improve as a QB, you either have it or you don't...

smittysbar · 01-08-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Well if we're using this as the measure, he sure does because of his #40 ranking in 2007, cause you can't improve as a QB, you either have it or you don't...

R2P2, period

blaise · 01-08-2010, 02:01 PM

This list is clearly flawed because Mark Sanchez is the greatest QB to ever put on pads and throw a football.

SDChiefs · 01-08-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

B.Leftwich	TB	112	24	12	27	4.8%	22	-9.5%	112	601	709	4	2	0	3	54.2%
B.Gradkowski	OAK	79	25	15	26	-3.6%	25	-9.7%	162	937	949	6	2	3	3	55.8%
S.Wallace	SEA	0	26	-3	28	-11.1%	26	-11.4%	134	614	664	3	3	2	2	65.5%
D.Culpepper	DET	-30	27	-72	30	-13.9%	27	-17.8%	173	831	831	3	3	0	6	57.8%
A.Smith	SF	-80	28	98	24	-14.4%	28	-7.2%	395	2,300	1,894	18	1	1	12	60.6%
K.Collins	TEN	-81	29	-76	31	-16.9%	29	-16.5%	224	1,178	1,026	6	1	2	8	55.1%
M.Bulger	STL	-134	30	34	25	-19.1%	31	-9.1%	262	1,397	1,173	5	2	1	6	57.1%
B.Quinn	CLE	-148	31	-153	33	-19.5%	32	-19.7%	276	1,270	1,236	8	1	2	6	53.1%
T.Edwards	BUF	-167	32	-139	32	-24.6%	37	-22.3%	207	1,019	771	6	1	0	6	60.4%
Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
R.Fitzpatrick	BUF	-177	33	-243	36	-22.7%	35	-27.0%	248	1,299	997	9	1	2	9	56.2%
J.Delhomme	CAR	-198	34	-319	40	-20.2%	33	-25.8%	341	1,829	1,482	8	3	3	18	56.3%
S.Hill	SF	-210	35	-69	29	-31.3%	40	-17.8%	177	877	553	5	2	1	2	56.9%
J.Johnson	TB	-227	36	-301	39	-38.6%	43	-47.5%	139	675	347	4	5	0	7	50.4%
J.Cutler	CHI	-227	37	-161	35	-17.1%	30	-15.4%	593	3,545	2,753	27	7	1	26	61.2%
M.Sanchez	NYJ	-287	38	-278	37	-22.8%	36	-22.4%	391	2,307	1,598	12	6	3	20	54.4%
J.Freeman	TB	-294	39	-410	43	-26.1%	39	-32.0%	313	1,756	1,182	10	7	2	17	55.2%
K.Boller	STL	-305	40	-283	38	-35.6%	42	-33.9%	193	789	588	3	0	1	6	56.0%
M.Hasselbeck	SEA	-339	41	-156	34	-21.1%	34	-15.7%	529	2,886	2,292	17	8	2	16	60.2%
D.Anderson	CLE	-361	42	-444	45	-40.4%	44	-47.1%	196	856	502	3	2	3	10	44.8%
K.Null	STL	-394	43	-405	42	-59.1%	46	-60.4%	134	480	126	3	1	1	8	61.3%
M.Cassel	KC	-463	44	-433	44	-24.7%	38	-23.8%	550	2,727	2,116	16	9	3	15	55.8%
M.Stafford	DET	-531	45	-380	41	-31.9%	41	-26.0%	398	2,190	1,343	13	3	1	20	54.5%
J.Russell	OAK	-755	46	-795	46	-57.2%	45	-59.7%	280	1,122	294	3	3	6	10	49.0%

So what youre saying is.... Cassels not the answer?

**Reaper16** · 01-08-2010, 02:10 PM

Goddamn, the Rams' Keith Null is rated ahead of Cassel. We all remember when the mantra last year was that Cassel wouldn't need the adjustment time that a rookie QB would? Well a rookie QB from goddamned Division II West Texas A&M -- a QB whose QB coach was RYAN "Yes, that Ryan Leaf" LEAF -- out played Cassel.

DJ's left nut · 01-08-2010, 02:11 PM

HE JUST NEEDS MORE TIME!!!!!

He's only started 30 NFL Games, JFC, people.

DJ's left nut · 01-08-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Goddamn, the Rams' Keith Null is rated ahead of Cassel. We all remember when the mantra last year was that Cassel wouldn't need the adjustment time that a rookie QB would? Well a rookie QB from goddamned Division II West Texas A&M -- a QB whose QB coach was RYAN "Yes, that Ryan Leaf" LEAF -- out played Cassel.

Ouch.

TheGuardian · 01-08-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

LO! The fourth horseman of the apocalypse has appeared, on his great and terrible stallion! Shrink from the horror of the past-his-prime stop-gap passer....he is Hamas, horseman of the future Hall of Fame quarterback who gets his brains turned into mush by Bruce Smith.

I don't care about all of this. Who is the chic in your avatar?

DaWolf · 01-08-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Goddamn, the Rams' Keith Null is rated ahead of Cassel. We all remember when the mantra last year was that Cassel wouldn't need the adjustment time that a rookie QB would? Well a rookie QB from goddamned Division II West Texas A&M -- a QB whose QB coach was RYAN "Yes, that Ryan Leaf" LEAF -- out played Cassel.

Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan · 01-08-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...

Dammit DaWolf, quit bringing facts and logic into a hater's thread.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-08-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...

Do you understand the analysis, or are you just ignoring it?

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Regular season totals, through Week 17
Revised as of 1/4/2009

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

Effective Yards, listed in red, translate DVOA into a yards per attempt figure. This provides an easy comparison: in general, players with more Effective Yards than standard yards played better than standard stats would otherwise indicate, while players with fewer Effective Yards than standard yards played worse than standard stats would otherwise indicate. Effective Yards are not the best way to measure total value because they are more dependent on usage than DYAR.

* Passes total includes sacks and aborted snaps. Both count against a quarterback's value.
* Fumbles count the same whether lost to the defense or retained by the offense.
* Clicking on a player's name will bring you to his FO player page with advanced stats through 2008.
* Because his runs primarily come as the quarterback in the Wildcat (a.k.a. Flash) formation, Josh Cribbs' rushing value in 2009 is rated as a quarterback, not as a wide receiver.

**Reaper16** · 01-08-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...

Well, its statistical stuff. I'm sure that Cassel would rate better than Null if Null had the same amount of snaps.

Fritz88 · 01-08-2010, 02:41 PM

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**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-08-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Well, its statistical stuff. I'm sure that Cassel would rate better than Null if Null had the same amount of snaps.

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