Chiefs Reflections on a Rat****ing - Page 3

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:24 PM

But not by the refs

First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend.

Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel.

I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed
tackles.

I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself
out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop.

Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD.

If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game
changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds.

The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the
previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history.

It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be.

Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson?

DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game.

Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time.

The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown.

That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:42 PM

Far too many false dichotomies running around here. We lost this game as a team. Period. It's not the D's fault and their fault alone, nor is it Cassel's fault and his alone. Yes, coaching hurt us at points, but you can't pillory Romeo this week when you were ready to bronze his dick 4 hours ago. Sometimes the players don't execute, and sometimes we don't have enough horses to execute.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Interesting. Nice summation, BTW.

Thank you.

ChiefsCountry · 10-17-2010, 02:44 PM

And today showed the 4 big holes on this team - QB, Pass Rush, Nose Tackle, and 2nd WR.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-17-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Hamas is right the pass rush is ****ing pathetic and I think the lack of a Nose Tackle is starting to show.

Nose tackle? How about linebackers that can actually rush the passer?

Vrabel shouldn't have been on the field, period. Studebaker once again made plays, yet he was in for Hali?

No Kendrick Lewis also hurt this team.

Titty Meat · 10-17-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Far too many false dichotomies running around here. We lost this game as a team. Period. It's not the D's fault and their fault alone, nor is it Cassel's fault and his alone. Yes, coaching hurt us at points, but you can't pillory Romeo this week when you were ready to bronze his dick 4 hours ago. Sometimes the players don't execute, and sometimes we don't have enough horses to execute.

When you give up 35 points and 4 straight touchdowns its the defenses fault espcially when the offense moved the ball like it did. period. The reality is we beat 3 teams that are inept on offense hopefully we can find a way to make the playoffs though today really hurts.

Titty Meat · 10-17-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nose tackle? How about linebackers that can actually rush the passer?

Vrabel shouldn't have been on the field, period. Studebaker once again made plays, yet he was in for Hali?

No Kendrick Lewis also hurt this team.

The NT got pwnt all day and when I said a pass rusher I was talking about a OLB that can get to the QB.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-17-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

And today showed the 4 big holes on this team - QB, Pass Rush, Nose Tackle, and 2nd WR.

****ing Kyle Orton would have the Chiefs at 5-0.

Hammock Parties · 10-17-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

As far as blaming Cassel on the last drive there was like 28 seconds left and they needed a TD. I think that is a tall order for any QB but B-Richardson didn't even give him a chance because he couldn't even come close to blocking his guy.

I was very disappointed that we missed out on another Mark Castle hail mary.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

When you give up 35 points and 4 straight touchdowns its the defenses fault espcially when the offense moved the ball like it did. period. The reality is we beat 3 teams that are inept on offense hopefully we can find a way to make the playoffs though today really hurts.

Do you think Joe Montana was bitching in the huddle at the 8 yard line during Super Bowl XXIII about the 49ers' inability to cover punts? Do you think that he was looking for an out when a holding call put them in first and 20? Or did he nut up and make the passes he needed to make when the team needed him the most.

This should be called the Roethlisberger test. How do you play when your team needs you the most? Can you go 11-24 up until that point but still have enough gumption to thread the needle on a must make, or do you over, under, and throw behind your receivers?

And again, this is not a ****ing Matt Cassel thread. This is a team loss. Our run D was not good enough. Our pass D was not good enough. Our coaching was not good enough. And although he was for most of the game, when we needed him, our QB was not good enough.

**DeezNutz** · 10-17-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is a team loss. Our run D was not good enough. Our pass D was not good enough. Our coaching was not good enough. And although he was for most of the game, when we needed him, our QB was not good enough.

The above should not even be considered arguable.

Now I'm off to read through all the "Hali is like DT" posts. I'm sure there should be a shit ton.

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I was very disappointed that we missed out on another Mark Castle hail mary.

Is it just me or is that every time we try a hail mary our o-line can't block a 2-3 man rush.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-17-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

And today showed the 4 big holes on this team - QB, Pass Rush, Nose Tackle, and 2nd WR.

We knew Cassel was a hole on this team.

However, this game did not show him as a weakness.

It's becoming a broken record around here. There's a ton of posters (not you Hamas) that only post when Cassel has a shitty play. I rarely see the ones that rag on him post when he's played well. It's like the Mecca rule around here.

Never, ever do I see anything positive regarding the QB.

This game showed that we need a #2 WR, a nose guard, another rush linebacker. We knew we needed a QB a long time ago.

Cassel has his best game, and some want to put some of the blame on him for this one. This offense scored 31 on the road and it was on the defense to hold a lead and they couldn't.

BWillie · 10-17-2010, 03:01 PM

Dude, I dislike Cassel as much as anybody but he played a great game. Sure he stunk it up on the final drive but you can't really expect any quarterback to drive down the field and score with the amount of time we had to work with. I realize we were playing a bad pass d but come on.

Saccopoo · 10-17-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Is it just me or is that every time we try a hail mary our o-line can't block a 2-3 man rush.

Ascending.

**DeezNutz** · 10-17-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There's a ton of posters (not you Hamas) that only post when Cassel has a shitty play. I rarely see the ones that rag on him post when he's played well. It's like the Mecca rule around here.

I hate him, as a player, as much as, if not more than, anyone, but I offered several complimentary posts in the game thread.

10-17-2010, 02:24 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7279572	Reflections on a Rating But not by the refs First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend. Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel. I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed tackles. I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop. Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD. If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds. The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history. It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be. Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson? DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game. Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time. The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown. That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.
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10-17-2010, 02:42 PM	#31
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7279572	Far too many false dichotomies running around here. We lost this game as a team. Period. It's not the D's fault and their fault alone, nor is it Cassel's fault and his alone. Yes, coaching hurt us at points, but you can't pillory Romeo this week when you were ready to bronze his dick 4 hours ago. Sometimes the players don't execute, and sometimes we don't have enough horses to execute. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1361248	And today showed the 4 big holes on this team - QB, Pass Rush, Nose Tackle, and 2nd WR.
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10-17-2010, 03:01 PM	#43
BWillie Are you ready to Rumble? Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $-1238759	Dude, I dislike Cassel as much as anybody but he played a great game. Sure he stunk it up on the final drive but you can't really expect any quarterback to drive down the field and score with the amount of time we had to work with. I realize we were playing a bad pass d but come on.
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