QB Class Starting to Look Like S&@* - Page 3

BigCatDaddy · 02-25-2011, 06:38 PM

Anyone else disappointed with the way this QB class is starting to pan out after looking very promising?

Newton has gone Hollywood
Gabbert is scared to throw at the combine
Locker went to hell as a Senior
Mallett being the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf

Ponder is starting to look like the prize QB in this draft to me at this point.

aturnis · 02-25-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry

I actually believe in Cam...If he can get into the right situation like Vick in Philly, I think he can be a star...but it will take time

Yeah, b/c it takes time to teach a dumbass not to be a dumbass anymore. His arrogance and has Russel/Vick(pre prison) like potential.

Feel the same way about Mallett. You can't fix stupid. He does have Big Ben-like potential though. Size, arm, and might be a reerun off the field, but could still succeed if he isn't one on it.

keg in kc · 02-26-2011, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'm not sure how since he wasn't exactly a great college QB. I would feel more comfortable with a guy that did it in college and has the tools like Bradford did his entire career and Ryan did his senior year.

I just didn't see a great QB when I watched the MU games, but I really didn't see a great QB when I watched Freeman at KSU either and he worked out pretty well so far. Freeman has been a better pro then college QB so maybe Gabbert will surprise me and do the same.

I think, like with Freeman, it was more of a reflection of the school than the player. Put him in the right situation, with some good coaching and quality players, and I think he has all the attributes to thrive.

This is an outside opinion, of course. I'm not a big 12 guy, and I don't follow Missouri any more or less than I follow anybody else in the NCAA. I've seen him play probably a dozen times over the last couple of years, and what I saw was a guy with prototypical size who has a rocket launcher attached to his shoulder. He'll play hurt, he's played in high profile games, and he's won games at a school that traditionally doesn't with what I consider to be high second tier talent, although to his credit I think Pinkel has turned them into a winning program. In any case, I can see why Harbaugh wanted him at Stanford.

On the flip side, he does play out of a spread, but these days who doesn't? That's just a risk you have to take (same risk Bradford had - plus Bradford missed virtually an entire year to injury...).

All that said, I do not think he's a top-5 or even top-10 calibre pick. But I do think he's a first round calibre QB. Others will argue this (much like they did with Sanchez), but I'm not somebody who likes the idea of a project early. And Gabbert is, in my mind, a project. But the upside on him is through the roof.

As far as Newton goes, he's the latest product of the hype machine. I don't care how athletically gifted he is (and there's no debate about that...), the fact is he's a junior with one year starting experience on an utterly loaded team. I wouldn't touch him with a twenty foot pole. He has disaster written all over him.

Mallet has top pick talent with a UDFA brain. For years I waited for him to grow into what I thought he could be when I first saw him at Michigan, and he never did. He'll look like Joe Montana with Dan Marino's arm grafted to his shoulder and then all of a sudden just do something that leaves you scratching your head.

In the end, I don't think any of these guys are really worth discussion as far as the Chiefs goes. I think this franchise is way, way more likely to go for a game manager the likes of Greg McElroy. I'm not saying I like that, or that it's what I want, just that that's the kind of player I think they'll go for.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-26-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

What I'm hearing, so don't shoot the messenger is that Gabbert's deep ball isn't that goodand he wouldn't want to look like a noodle arm compared to Mallett and Newton.

My point it I was excited, but now not so much. Right now my pipe dream is trading back and picking Ponder.

However, I'll probably change again after the combine.

Or, he's represented by CAA, and their guys never throw.

Of course he has a noodle arm, he only had the best arm strength in his recruiting class, and the second best score in the history of the Elite 11 camp.

**SAUTO** · 02-26-2011, 11:06 AM

Lol

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Or, he's represented by CAA, and their guys never throw.

Of course he has a noodle arm, he only had the best arm strength in his recruiting class, and the second best score in the history of the Elite 11 camp.

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BigCatDaddy · 02-26-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Or, he's represented by CAA, and their guys never throw.

Of course he has a noodle arm, he only had the best arm strength in his recruiting class, and the second best score in the history of the Elite 11 camp.

I went backed and watched some more highlights of Gabbert and I'm just not seeing that deep ball that everyone here is clamoring for so much. However, I went and looked at some Andrew Luck highlights and it was a whole different story.

Maybe the MU receivers were just that bad, but he really had mediocre numbers in a QB friendly system. I don't think he has the talent of a Newton or Mallett at this point in the game. His greatest assett at this point seems to be his intangibles. I think he is probably the safest 1st round pick however.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-26-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I went backed and watched some more highlights of Gabbert and I'm just not seeing that deep ball that everyone here is clamoring for so much. However, I went and looked at some Andrew Luck highlights and it was a whole different story.

Maybe the MU receivers were just that bad, but he really had mediocre numbers in a QB friendly system. I don't think he has the talent of a Newton or Mallett at this point in the game. His greatest assett at this point seems to be his intangibles. I think he is probably the safest 1st round pick however.

I can't underestimate how bad our receivers were this year. Our TE, who was a Mackey award finalist, averaged 9 yards a catch, getting the ball in space. 9.

Jackson and Kemp were horrendous. Horrendous.

The sad thing is that Missouri brought in three tremendous WR prospects in their 2010 class, and people will probably think that Lucas, Sasser, and Hunt were a similar caliber of the guys that Gabbert threw to when they are light years better.

Gabbert played in a two year gap of skill position talent at Mizzou. Our running game was awful, and our OL wasn't that good.

Watch him drive the ball down the field against Iowa or Illinois the year before. It's impressive tape, as is the Oklahoma game. You should remember that one.

**SAUTO** · 02-26-2011, 12:27 PM

Now now hamas I have seen the pictures, gabbert actually just has a couple of spaghetti noodles hanging off of his shoulder
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**SAUTO** · 02-26-2011, 12:28 PM

I have also heard he won't take off his shirt at the combine due to this.

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Halfcan · 02-26-2011, 01:40 PM

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I hope everybody thinks they look like shit and the Chiefs can take Gabbert at 21.

Let him sit for 2 or 3 games behind Cassel.

fyp lol

BigCatDaddy · 02-26-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I can't underestimate how bad our receivers were this year. Our TE, who was a Mackey award finalist, averaged 9 yards a catch, getting the ball in space. 9.

Jackson and Kemp were horrendous. Horrendous.

The sad thing is that Missouri brought in three tremendous WR prospects in their 2010 class, and people will probably think that Lucas, Sasser, and Hunt were a similar caliber of the guys that Gabbert threw to when they are light years better.

Gabbert played in a two year gap of skill position talent at Mizzou. Our running game was awful, and our OL wasn't that good.

Watch him drive the ball down the field against Iowa or Illinois the year before. It's impressive tape, as is the Oklahoma game. You should remember that one.

Then you flash back to the Nebraska game and he struggled quite a bit for most of it. I think he the #1 QB by default now. Locker was barely an avg college QB, Newton is a head case as is Mallet. If I'm an NFL GM I'm not excited about giving big money and long term deals to any of these guys. I think you are going to see the latter 3 guys slide into round 2 and possibly behind guys like Dalton, Ponder, and Kaepernick. IMO Gabbert is a mid 1st round talent that probably get's pushed up a little higher with no sure fire Ryan, Stafford, Bradford like guy in this draft. He is the only QB I would take at #21, but he will be long gone.

Bewbies · 02-26-2011, 02:15 PM

I'd take any of the QB's thought to be 1st or 2nd round prospects, except Locker, over Cassel.

aturnis · 02-26-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Watch him drive the ball down the field against Iowa or Illinois the year before. It's impressive tape, as is the Oklahoma game. You should remember that one.

That is just silly.

5 WR's against a base 4-3 defense for almost all of the first 3 quarters. At least two of the WR's were covered by white Iowa linebackers. Yeah, Gabbert tore up those 5-10 yd. routes against linebackers. Whooo-ee! Not impressed. He didn't get a hell of a lot done, sure his yds. were higher than Stanzi's in the game, but his yds/completion and yds/attempt were much lower.

Iowa defense is kind of like the Chiefs in that they don't mind you gaining yards, they just don't want you to score TD's. They play sound, technical football and hope that if they play their assignments correctly, you will make drive killing mistakes, or mistakes that lead to a turnover. If you play sound football, they have no choice but to try to stop you outright.

aturnis · 02-26-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Then you flash back to the Nebraska game and he struggled quite a bit for most of it. I think as of this point, he is the #1 QB by default. Locker was barely an avg college QB, Newton is a head case as is Mallet. If I'm an NFL GM I'm not excited about giving big money and long term deals to any of these guys. I think you are going to see the latter 3 guys slide into round 2 and possibly behind guys like Dalton, Ponder, and Kaepernick. IMO Gabbert is a mid 1st round talent that probably get's pushed up a little higher with no sure fire Ryan, Stafford, Bradford like guy in this draft. He is the only QB I would take at #21, but he will be long gone.

QFT

BigCatDaddy · 02-26-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

I'd take any of the QB's thought to be 1st or 2nd round prospects, except Locker, over Cassel.

I think that would be a huge mistake.

Over-Head · 02-26-2011, 02:21 PM

Gotta be another 60mill bust in teh bunch somewhere...bout time

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