Chiefs This is not a thread in defense of Matt Cassel, but.. - Page 3

Oh Snap · 09-11-2011, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we're pissing in the wind until we draft and groom a first round QB...nothing else matters

its times like this that makes you wonder how we got as lucky as we did with trent green. He wasnt a real flashy qb, but he was a top 5 quarterback in this league. Damn, I miss those days.

milkman · 09-11-2011, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oh Snap

its times like this that makes you wonder how we got as lucky as we did with trent green. He wasnt a real flashy qb, but he was a top 5 quarterback in this league. Damn, I miss those days.

Trent Green put up top 5 numbers, but he was what he was because he had weeks in the pocket with that O-Line.

He was, however, a legitimate NFL Qb, which can not be said about Cassel.

Oh Snap · 09-11-2011, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Trent Green put up top 5 numbers, but he was what he was because he had weeks in the pocket with that O-Line.

He was, however, a legitimate NFL Qb, which can not be said about Cassel.

i agree, our OL was bomb back then.

The OL really is the foundation of an offense. That was the way that vermiel treated the OL, and it showed. We had one of the best offensive lines in the history imo.

And dead on about cassel. He is a backup at best.

milkman · 09-11-2011, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oh Snap

i agree, our OL was bomb back then.

The OL really is the foundation of an offense. That was the way that vermiel treated the OL, and it showed. We had one of the best offensive lines in the history imo.

And dead on about cassel. He is a backup at best.

Again, look at the O-Lines of the SB winners.

There's a couple of very good ones, but for the most part, it's QB play that wins SBs, and those QBs make their O-Lines look better than they are.

tredadda · 09-11-2011, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we're pissing in the wind until we draft and groom a first round QB...nothing else matters

That won't happen. The team drafted one in the first round in 1983 and he turned out to be a bust so now they are gun shy about doing it again. I guess they figure that drafting late round "gems" or picking up QB's that other teams did not want for a reason is they key to success even though 28 years after Blackledge we are still clamoring for a QB and a playoff win. The only ones we had were with Montana on his last legs, but players like him rarely hit the market and the only reason why he did was because of Steve Young.

Messier · 09-11-2011, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda

That won't happen. The team drafted one in the first round in 1983 and he turned out to be a bust so now they are gun shy about doing it again. I guess they figure that drafting late round "gems" or picking up QB's that other teams did not want for a reason is they key to success even though 28 years after Blackledge we are still clamoring for a QB and a playoff win. The only ones we had were with Montana on his last legs, but players like him rarely hit the market and the only reason why he did was because of Steve Young.

Pioli and Haley don't care about 1983. So unless there's some mandate handed down from the Hunt family about no first round QB's the fact the last one was a bust shouldn't matter.

I almost want the 1st overall pick just because it would force the Chiefs hand.

tredadda · 09-11-2011, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier

Pioli and Haley don't care about 1983. So unless there's some mandate handed down from the Hunt family about no first round QB's the fact the last one was a bust shouldn't matter.

I almost want the 1st overall pick just because it would force the Chiefs hand.

Carl wasn't around for 1983 either, yet he never drafted a 1st round QB. What signs has Pioli given that he is different. I fear that the Tom Brady syndrome will go to his head. I do agree and hope we draft #1 overall so his hand is forced.

tk13 · 09-11-2011, 02:11 PM

It's not about protection. Maybe I'm wrong and Stanzi knows the offense inside and out even though he had no summer work and barely played in preseason. I can't believe he's ready yet. People are treating him like he's Luck.

If Cassel keeps playing like he did today, he'll get his chance. I hope he does. But if Stanzi comes in as a 5th round rookie with barely any summer work, little preparation, and is ready 2 games into the first season, Pioli is a genius.

Psyko Tek · 09-11-2011, 02:11 PM

every facet of this team sucked ass
the only players who had a clue where carr and flowers
but why bother them
when career days where to be had by the TE and running backs
this is major WtF territory and Todd maybe you should rethink any long term plans in KC

ILChief · 09-11-2011, 02:14 PM

At some point the wide receivers have to become the focal point of the passing attack. It seems like KC always throws to TEs and RBs before the receivers.

jd1020 · 09-11-2011, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief

At some point the wide receivers have to become the focal point of the passing attack. It seems like KC always throws to TEs and RBs before the receivers.

Because Cassel cant throw the ball out "wide."

**dirk digler** · 09-11-2011, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Because Cassel cant throw the ball out "wide."

or inside or anywhere to be honest

jd1020 · 09-11-2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

or inside or anywhere to be honest

That's not true. He's pretty good at dumping the ball off behind the LoS and letting other people get his passing yards.

**dirk digler** · 09-11-2011, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

That's not true. He's pretty good at dumping the ball off behind the LoS and letting other people get his passing yards.

lol true but that isn't really a positive

Bewbies · 09-11-2011, 02:16 PM

All that off-season talk about how awesome Matt Cassel is/was dies quickly when we actually play football.

09-11-2011, 02:11 PM	#8
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1667500	It's not about protection. Maybe I'm wrong and Stanzi knows the offense inside and out even though he had no summer work and barely played in preseason. I can't believe he's ready yet. People are treating him like he's Luck. If Cassel keeps playing like he did today, he'll get his chance. I hope he does. But if Stanzi comes in as a 5th round rookie with barely any summer work, little preparation, and is ready 2 games into the first season, Pioli is a genius.
Posts: 56,600

09-11-2011, 02:11 PM	#9
Psyko Tek special teams Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mesa AZ Casino cash: $10015665	every facet of this team sucked ass the only players who had a clue where carr and flowers but why bother them when career days where to be had by the TE and running backs this is major WtF territory and Todd maybe you should rethink any long term plans in KC __________________ Psyko Tek The keyboard has been drinking,
Posts: 12,018

09-11-2011, 02:14 PM	#10
ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7774831	At some point the wide receivers have to become the focal point of the passing attack. It seems like KC always throws to TEs and RBs before the receivers.
Posts: 11,477

09-11-2011, 02:16 PM	#15
Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	All that off-season talk about how awesome Matt Cassel is/was dies quickly when we actually play football.
Posts: 10,085