Chiefs 2011 Draft Class This Year - Page 3

Sofa King · 11-30-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Berry was a 'smart' pick; took the consensus guy.

McCluster is a useless POS that should never EVER have been drafted where he was. There is no greater example of getting 'cute' and ****ing your franchise.

Arenas is a nickle-corner and punt returner; a 4th round value we took in the 2nd - that's called getting too cute. Conventional wisdom has them taking Terrance Cody there - you really want to beat your chest over this pick?

Moeaki, well what do ya know? The injury prone guy is injured. And Hernandez (who went after him) was universally considered a higher value pick. Ultimately, I'd rather have Hernandez and by a fair margin. Hell, Jimmy Graham was considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder and we passed on him for Moeaki. Most folks had him around the 3rd best TE w/ Moeaki barely slipping inside the top 10. Uh...oops.

Asomoah was another 'value' pick; they just played the board and took a guy with a late 1st, early 2nd value in the 3rd round. A calm, rational pick.

Lewis is an okay safety they got in the late rounds. He was a decent scouting pick and about the only time I can remember the Chiefs leaving the board and not getting burned for it.

Once again, every time these guys try to prove how smart they are, they end up doing something amazingly stupid. If we'd have just 'played the board' we'd have Butler instead of McCluster, Cody instead of Arenas and Graham/Hernandez instead of Moeaki. Oh yeah, and we'd still have Asomoah and Berry.

Urc Burry · 11-30-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Berry was a 'smart' pick; took the consensus guy.

McCluster is a useless POS that should never EVER have been drafted where he was. There is no greater example of getting 'cute' and ****ing your franchise.

Arenas is a nickle-corner and punt returner; a 4th round value we took in the 2nd - that's called getting too cute. Conventional wisdom has them taking Terrance Cody there - you really want to beat your chest over this pick?

Moeaki, well what do ya know? The injury prone guy is injured. And Hernandez (who went after him) was universally considered a higher value pick. Ultimately, I'd rather have Hernandez and by a fair margin. Hell, Jimmy Graham was considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder and we passed on him for Moeaki. Most folks had him around the 3rd best TE w/ Moeaki barely slipping inside the top 10. Uh...oops.

Asomoah was another 'value' pick; they just played the board and took a guy with a late 1st, early 2nd value in the 3rd round. A calm, rational pick.

Lewis is an okay safety they got in the late rounds. He was a decent scouting pick and about the only time I can remember the Chiefs leaving the board and not getting burned for it.

Once again, every time these guys try to prove how smart they are, they end up doing something amazingly stupid. If we'd have just 'played the board' we'd have Butler instead of McCluster, Cody instead of Arenas and Graham/Hernandez instead of Moeaki. Oh yeah, and we'd still have Asomoah and Berry.

We drafted McCluster to be our Darren Sproles... If you've watched any Saints games this year then that pick would be warranted. Some players don't live up to their draft position. That's the NFL. McCluster is only half way through his second season, it is too early to give up on him.

Javier Arenas is one of the better nickle CB's in the league, and considering how this is a passing league i'm all for the pick. And not to mention he is 3rd in the league in punt returns on players who have returned at least 10. And that's pretty remarkable considering his long is only 37.

You are brain dead if you would rather play Aaron Hernandez over a healthy Moeaki. He is way more complete then Hernandez or Jimmy Graham. Those two belong only in passing situations.

Terrance Cody was screaming bust. He weighed in at 370 at Alabama's media day.. He hasn't exactly been the dominant NT we have been needing anyways

I don't think it's out of the question that we have been in the top 5 drafting teams the last 2 years.

**Dave Lane** · 11-30-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Actually, that draft is about as good as it gets in this league.

FAX

You are not allowed to say anything good about anything the Chiefs do. It's the new black.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 11-30-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

You are not allowed to say anything good about anything the Chiefs do. It's the new black.

Wait, when was black in???

Bump · 11-30-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Grade each pick best as you can.

Then provide the grade for the overall draft.

1st round: WR Johnny Baldwin

C
it took so long to see him in action because of a locker room fight, but has shown flashes. I think in a few seasons this could be an A+ pick.

2nd round: OG/C Rodney Hudson

C
I honestly haven't noticed him at all, other than that fumble with Palko, but have no clue if it's his fault or Palko's. Too early for me to really know

3rd round: OLB Justin Houston

C
has started a lot this season, I think I noticed him almost getting to Big Ben once, other than that I've never actually noticed him do anything, but it's early.

3rd round: DE Allen Bailey

C
has he even played? But too early

4th round: CB Jalil Brown

C
special teams contributor, he has probably done more than any other rookie we have.

5th round: QB Ricky Stanzi

F
I'm sorry, I understand he's a rookie but if you are a QB in the NFL and you can't beat out Palko for the 2nd job, you must really really suck.

5th round: OLB Gabe Miller

D
is he on the team still?

6th round: NT Jerrell Powe

D
never active, NT is a weakness, why is he never active?

7th round: FB Shane Bannon

F
why even bother drafting this guy? he wouldn't have even gotten invites to any camp

**Rain Man** · 11-30-2011, 02:42 PM

I'm grading only their rookie contributions and not their total worth as draft picks, because rookies may take a couple of years to get up to speed. But here goes on their rookie contributions:

1st round: WR Jon Baldwin - D-. He moves up from F because of that whole "I caught a safety" catch. He wasn't on the field at all for many weeks and he's dropped some very catchable passes. He's shown that he has the talent to be good, though, so I'm hoping he'll improve rapidly.

2nd round: OG/C Rodney Hudson. C-. We've seen very little of him, and he's undersized, but I'm hopeful that he'll seize a starting job next year. I wouldn't have expected him to win a starting job this year, but I had hoped he would.

3rd round: OLB Justin Houston. B. He won a starting job and after being lost for the first half of the season he appears to be gaining traction. I've like his game the last couple of weeks and have hopes that he'll ascend rapidly and become a heckuva player for us.

3rd round: DE Allen Bailey. C-. Doing about what I would expect a third-rounder to do, maybe a little less than I had hoped, but he's kind of a tweener in our system.

4th round: CB Jalil Brown. D-. The only times I've noticed him are when he's screwed up. Has he made a tackle on special teams yet?

5th round: QB Ricky Stanzi. C. About what I expect out of a late-round QB. He made the roster, and that's a victory.

5th round: OLB Gabe Miller. D. Seriously, where is he? Is he on the practice squad?

6th round: NT Jerrell Powe. C+. A sixth-round guy making the team and actually getting on the field on defense is pretty good, plus it seemed like he was holding his own. I'm hopeful for a fast ascent next year.

7th round: FB Shane Bannon. F. Probably too harsh, but I would expect him to at least make the team as a draft choice. Is he on the practice squad?

It's funny that this was the dream draft of the collective of chiefsplanet and we're not seeing much impact. However, I do think there are some players on this list who are still ascending and can be good players for us. We just didn't get a whole lot at all this year.

**Dave Lane** · 11-30-2011, 03:41 PM

I think if we can get a couple more drafts like the last 2 and we will be approaching a championship team IF we get a quality QB.

Hammock Parties · 11-30-2011, 05:35 PM

Standards have fallen if we're handing out A's and B+ for Jon Baldwin and Allen Bailey, who have both had one good game apiece.

Baldwin - C
Hudson - B
Houston - C
Bailey - D

Not gonna grade guys who aren't really playing. If Brown isn't in the rotation at corner next year he's a big fat F. Same for Powe at NT.

Nightfyre · 11-30-2011, 05:37 PM

The only standards that are slipping here are the quality of gochiefs posts. How they manage to continue to fall is beyond me.

Hammock Parties · 11-30-2011, 05:41 PM

You are going to be so butthurt when Haley is fired.

Nightfyre · 11-30-2011, 05:44 PM

Not really. I think he will ultimately be a good head coach, but that doesn't mean there aren't other potentially good head coaches out there. Another difference is that, I am confident that Pioli will make a good selection for a new head coach if it comes to that. He seems to understand the value of leadership, and I'm confident he would be looking for someone who is all about team-building. (IE not McDaniels.)

Hammock Parties · 11-30-2011, 05:47 PM

Haley probably won't even be coaching in the NFL next season, unless he accepts a WR coaching position.

LiveSteam · 11-30-2011, 05:50 PM

Dam & again
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O.city · 11-30-2011, 07:26 PM

Its hard to grade a wr when our punter could throw him a more accurate pass than the qbs we have had.

JCharles1981 · 11-30-2011, 10:37 PM

How can anyone rate Stanzi above an I? He has not played in a single Chiefs' regular season game. Also, you can't rate his overall performance based on games he played in (preseason) that aren't crucial to whether or not the team makes the playoffs.

11-30-2011, 02:42 PM	#6
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-472449 VARSITY	I'm grading only their rookie contributions and not their total worth as draft picks, because rookies may take a couple of years to get up to speed. But here goes on their rookie contributions: 1st round: WR Jon Baldwin - D-. He moves up from F because of that whole "I caught a safety" catch. He wasn't on the field at all for many weeks and he's dropped some very catchable passes. He's shown that he has the talent to be good, though, so I'm hoping he'll improve rapidly. 2nd round: OG/C Rodney Hudson. C-. We've seen very little of him, and he's undersized, but I'm hopeful that he'll seize a starting job next year. I wouldn't have expected him to win a starting job this year, but I had hoped he would. 3rd round: OLB Justin Houston. B. He won a starting job and after being lost for the first half of the season he appears to be gaining traction. I've like his game the last couple of weeks and have hopes that he'll ascend rapidly and become a heckuva player for us. 3rd round: DE Allen Bailey. C-. Doing about what I would expect a third-rounder to do, maybe a little less than I had hoped, but he's kind of a tweener in our system. 4th round: CB Jalil Brown. D-. The only times I've noticed him are when he's screwed up. Has he made a tackle on special teams yet? 5th round: QB Ricky Stanzi. C. About what I expect out of a late-round QB. He made the roster, and that's a victory. 5th round: OLB Gabe Miller. D. Seriously, where is he? Is he on the practice squad? 6th round: NT Jerrell Powe. C+. A sixth-round guy making the team and actually getting on the field on defense is pretty good, plus it seemed like he was holding his own. I'm hopeful for a fast ascent next year. 7th round: FB Shane Bannon. F. Probably too harsh, but I would expect him to at least make the team as a draft choice. Is he on the practice squad? It's funny that this was the dream draft of the collective of chiefsplanet and we're not seeing much impact. However, I do think there are some players on this list who are still ascending and can be good players for us. We just didn't get a whole lot at all this year. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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11-30-2011, 05:35 PM	#8
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1010478	Standards have fallen if we're handing out A's and B+ for Jon Baldwin and Allen Bailey, who have both had one good game apiece. Baldwin - C Hudson - B Houston - C Bailey - D Not gonna grade guys who aren't really playing. If Brown isn't in the rotation at corner next year he's a big fat F. Same for Powe at NT. __________________ Chiefs game films
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11-30-2011, 05:44 PM	#11
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1358849	Not really. I think he will ultimately be a good head coach, but that doesn't mean there aren't other potentially good head coaches out there. Another difference is that, I am confident that Pioli will make a good selection for a new head coach if it comes to that. He seems to understand the value of leadership, and I'm confident he would be looking for someone who is all about team-building. (IE not McDaniels.)
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JCharles1981 Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Casino cash: $10005489	How can anyone rate Stanzi above an I? He has not played in a single Chiefs' regular season game. Also, you can't rate his overall performance based on games he played in (preseason) that aren't crucial to whether or not the team makes the playoffs.
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