NFL Draft Shefter: The 1st pick is worth ... - Page 3

Mr. Laz · 12-21-2011, 01:15 PM

3 first round picks and two 2nd round picks ... maybe four 1st round picks.

He was talking about how the Rams might just end up with the 1st pick because they play the 49ers and Steelers but the Colts play the jags and texans.

first pick tie would be decided by SOS

his opinion anyway

jd1020 · 12-21-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Starbucks Fan

There's no point in drafting Luck. None. Bradford is and will be the franchise's QB for the long run.

They NEED to trade down even if they are in the top 3.

What about Bradford has shown you he's going to be a NFL franchise QB? He's sucked in the NFL. Stop going back on where he was drafted and start looking at his play on the field. I believe Tebow is the only QB in the league that is worse than Bradford right now.

Chiefaholic · 12-21-2011, 01:40 PM

What the Colts will more than likely do is draft Luck, AND trade Manning for multiple draft picks to a desperate team to give Andrew more weapons. If I were Polian, I'd be on the phone every day talking trade options to desperate teams who don't put much stock into rookies. Washington comes to mind, and the Raiders would have been in the hunt had they not already trashed their next couple drafts.

Rams Fan · 12-21-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

What about Bradford has shown you he's going to be a NFL franchise QB? He's sucked in the NFL. Stop going back on where he was drafted and start looking at his play on the field. I believe Tebow is the only QB in the league that is worse than Bradford right now.

I'm going to defend Bradford until he stinks with a good team in front of him.

There isn't a good team in front of him. He has a mediocre-bad OL, terrible WRs.
Put almost any QB behind that line and he's dead.

Give Bradford a decent line, Blackmon and Amendola back, and we are in business.

jd1020 · 12-21-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Starbucks Fan

I'm going to defend Bradford until he stinks with a good team in front of him.

There isn't a good team in front of him. He has a mediocre-bad OL, terrible WRs.
Put almost any QB behind that line and he's dead.

Give Bradford a decent line, Blackmon and Amendola back, and we are in business.

Peyton, Ben, and Rodgers all play behind shit OLines.

Why does a "franchise" QB all of a sudden need an all world team behind him when it's pretty much universal that the QB makes the offense?

Rams Fan · 12-21-2011, 01:42 PM

Look, didn't we post about this samething last week during the MNF game?

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

What the Colts will more than likely do is draft Luck, AND trade Manning for multiple draft picks to a desperate team to give Andrew more weapons. If I were Polian, I'd be on the phone every day talking trade options to desperate teams who don't put much stock into rookies. Washington comes to mind, and the Raiders would have been in the hunt had they not already trashed their next couple drafts.

Manning is going to be released and free to sign with whatever team he wants. No one is taking on that contract and giving up draft picks for an old QB with neck problems.

Rams Fan · 12-21-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Peyton, Ben, and Rodgers all play behind shit OLines.

Big Ben has Pouncey.
Peyton has Saturday.
Rodgers has Clifton, Bulaga, Sherrod.

Not to mention all 3 have a play maker.

DJ's left nut · 12-21-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So if you're sitting at #15.....would you trade 3 1st round picks for the #1 overall spot?

This year - yes, probably.

Look at how many games this team won with a crap QB and injuries decimating us. Give this squad a legitimate stud quarterback and don't you think it's drafting in the mid-20's for the 2 other 1sts?

In fact, I think I'd give the 3 firsts without blinking. The prime years for some of our star players are shorter than you think. We desperately need to take advantage of this window right now.

jd1020 · 12-21-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Starbucks Fan

Big Ben has Pouncey.
Peyton has Saturday.
Rodgers has Clifton, Bulaga, Sherrod.

Not to mention all 3 have a play maker.

All injured.

And then 1 out of 5 guys for the other 2? Give me a break.

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This year - yes, probably.

Look at how many games this team won with a crap QB and injuries decimating us. Give this squad a legitimate stud quarterback and don't you think it's drafting in the mid-20's for the 2 other 1sts?

In fact, I think I'd give the 3 firsts without blinking. The prime years for some of our star players are shorter than you think. We desperately need to take advantage of this window right now.

I'm all for it.

I just know it's not going to happen.

DJ's left nut · 12-21-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

It would make no sense to have Bradford and Luck on your roster at the same time. Your trade value for either one would go down....and the cap hit you would take to trade either one of them would **** you in the long run.

Just Bradford.

They won't get bombed by trading Luck; in fact I think they could trade his rights without signing him. But either way, he's coming in under the reasonable scale.

That's what makes Bradford so difficult to move; they'll get bombed by the cap-hit. He's getting paid Brady money and he's only 2 years into the deal. They're pretty much stuck with Bradford (though that's a 'stuck' I'd gladly take). As such, the only choice they really have is dealing that pick or gutting their team for a season to make dealing Bradford doable.

The good news is that the team that trades for Bradford doesn't have to pay the signing bonus or absorb the hit, so he's extremely tradeable, they just need to clear the cap space to do it.

It's not relevant, the Colts aren't winning another game and their SOS is worse than the Rams right now anyway.

Rams Fan · 12-21-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

All injured.

And then 1 out of 5 guys for the other 2? Give me a break.

None of the starters for the Rams current OL are playing the position they played Opening Day.

All are either on IR, suck, or moved to another position due to injury.

DJ's left nut · 12-21-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'm all for it.

I just know it's not going to happen.

Not every organization in the NFL is run by guys that believe they invented the game and can find another Tom Brady whenever they need one in the 6th round.

Someone will absolutely give up 3 1sts for him if that option is out there.

Chiefaholic · 12-21-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

What about Bradford has shown you he's going to be a NFL franchise QB? He's sucked in the NFL. Stop going back on where he was drafted and start looking at his play on the field. I believe Tebow is the only QB in the league that is worse than Bradford right now.

Seriously? No way in hell do the Rams give up on Bradford already. They've invested too much into him financially to not give him the opportunity with more weapons to throw to and better pass protection. I have no doubt they'll debate different trade scenarios to trade down to pick up multiple picks in exchange. The Rams need loads of help, and Bradford is the least of their worries right now.

DJ's left nut · 12-21-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

All injured.

And then 1 out of 5 guys for the other 2? Give me a break.

And Sherrod sucks.

He can't be serious, can he?

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