Chiefs @ 12

[O.city]

I'm fine with Konz.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Yer i would reluctantly take Konz there. Would rather trade up for a qb, or trade down for value but eh, probably not going to happen..

[RealSNR]

If we drafted Konz, we'd have a ****ing killer interior line. Hudson goes to LG, Konz at C, and Lilja either sits on the bench or goes home. Either way, it would mark the end of two broke dicks in the center meat of our line trying to get push against 300 lb 3-4 defensive linemen on 3rd/4th and short. If we took Rieff, that RT position is nice to shore up, but we would still have a problem in the middle. Hudson would get moved to C, but Lilja is still sitting there needing to be replaced.

LT- Albert
LG- Hudson (where he belongs)
C- Konz
RG- Asamoah
RT- Richardson/Replacement

vs

LT- Albert
LG- Lilja (ick)
C- Hudson (I'd prefer Konz over Hudson)
RG- Asamoah
RT- Rieff/other tackle

That first option looks a lot sexier to me. Option #1 is versatile, powerful, young, and would rape faces a lot harder than Option #2. Lilja's a huge weak spot, and Konz is a really special player at center, moreso than Hudson would be, I think.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by SNR

If we drafted Konz, we'd have a ****ing killer interior line. Hudson goes to LG, Konz at C, and Lilja either sits on the bench or goes home. Either way, it would mark the end of two broke dicks in the center meat of our line trying to get push against 300 lb 3-4 defensive linemen on 3rd/4th and short. If we took Rieff, that RT position is nice to shore up, but we would still have a problem in the middle. Hudson would get moved to C, but Lilja is still sitting there needing to be replaced.

LT- Albert
LG- Hudson (where he belongs)
C- Konz
RG- Asamoah
RT- Richardson/Replacement

vs

LT- Albert
LG- Lilja (ick)
C- Hudson (I'd prefer Konz over Hudson)
RG- Asamoah
RT- Rieff/other tackle

That first option looks a lot sexier to me. Option #1 is versatile, powerful, young, and would rape faces a lot harder than Option #2. Lilja's a huge weak spot, and Konz is a really special player at center, moreso than Hudson would be, I think.

I think you are being a little nice to option one by not saying much about Richardson yet calling Lilja a huge weakness. Even though its true, Richardson is easily as big if not a bigger weakness. You can get also get a replacement for Lilja in FA if you draft Rieff.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I think you are being a little nice to option one by not saying much about Richardson yet calling Lilja a huge weakness. Even though its true, Richardson is easily as big if not a bigger weakness. You can get also get a replacement for Lilja in FA if you draft Reiff.

What I like about the first proposed line is the entire left side up until RT is one solid mass of skull-****ing rapery. That is one badass offensive line. Konz really is the crown jewel (along with Asamoah), but also putting Hudson at LG leaves us with upgrades at LG (Hudson over a free agent or Lilja), AND C (Konz over Hudson).

Drafting Reiff or Martin would be fantastic, sure, but my only issue with that is Konz is a kind of value that you won't find in a RT at the spot we're picking in. For instance, if Kalil, Martin AND Reiff are all gone by 11, then what? What if it's just Kalil and Martin (the most likely scenario). I think the Chiefs will be so ****ing stacked and set to go with the Hudson/Konz lineup, that it really won't matter what we have at RT. Hell, you saw how the protection on the right side improved when we put Orton in under center. Really, the only thing I'd be worried about is run-blocking to the right if we kept Hudson.

And that's where I think people are underselling Konz big time. A tackle like Reiff is pretty good for running the ball. A Center like Konz, however, is GOD MODE for running the ball, especially when you have the existing pieces already in place like the Chiefs do.

[RealSNR]

To summarize:

Assuming we don't draft a QB:

1. Konz is a really special player. Hudson is special too, but he's also a bit of an unknown. The last thing we want is for him to be a Niswanger at center (unlikely, but it's possible since he's inexperienced at the position). Konz is so special that I think the upgrade from Hudson to Konz is almost as good as an upgrade from Richardson to a Reiff or Martin (assuming one of those guys are there).

2. Where it gets interesting is asking what the Chiefs could do with a nice upgrade at RT versus nice upgrades at LG AND C. In one situation the Chiefs fill a hole. But in this situation, the Chiefs are building an offensive line of pure and utter domination. We've already got that kind of squad at linebacker and corner, and acquiring that kind of really special one-of-a-kind dominance at offensive line would be HUGE. In that case, I'll take the super-athletic 1-4 spots over the pretty good 1, 4, and 5 spots.

3. Yeah, we can get a cheap fill in at guard for Lilja if he's too much of a broke dick. But we can also get an easy upgrade from Richardson if we either follow Sac's mock and take Reynolds, or if we pursue a free agent like we would at guard. Either way, I'm totally comfortable having one mediocre to halfway decent RT if it means spending our draft pick on turning the rest of the offensive line into a slaughter house.

[NJChiefsFan]

Well that is a better arguement than the first post, thats for sure. I can be sold on that. I would like to take a look at the FA RT's. Too bad we didn't get a look at Mims. I guess he is probably still a little ways away.

[Chris Meck]

Lilja's done. Finished. He gets no push, ever, against anyone. He and Wiegmann are done.

I'd hate to be stuck drafting o'line at 11 or 12 but we may have no choice. Best case scenario would be to trade back but that may not be possible.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Lilja's done. Finished. He gets no push, ever, against anyone. He and Wiegmann are done.

And that's why with the Konz pick, we're not only solving both of these huge holes on the roster, but we're turning those holes into an elite unit on this team. Hell, look at all the depth we would have at the interior! Hudson would back up center, Lilja/Harris would back up the guards, Richardson/Mims would back up the tackles, Richardson could back up at guard, Albert could back up at guard. God, we'd be set at the offensive line for at LEAST 4 or 5 seasons.

If people have a problem with taking a center that high, we'll just trade down. Either way, if we're not going to fill the biggest hole on the team (QB) then we should use a pick on a guy like Konz who will not only shore up the line but make it dominant.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by SNR

And that's why with the Konz pick, we're not only solving both of these huge holes on the roster, but we're turning those holes into an elite unit on this team. Hell, look at all the depth we would have at the interior! Hudson would back up center, Lilja/Harris would back up the guards, Richardson/Mims would back up the tackles, Richardson could back up at guard, Albert could back up at guard. God, we'd be set at the offensive line for at LEAST 4 or 5 seasons.

If people have a problem with taking a center that high, we'll just trade down. Either way, if we're not going to fill the biggest hole on the team (QB) then we should use a pick on a guy like Konz who will not only shore up the line but make it dominant.

We could also solve both problems by drafting someone like DeCatro or even Zeitler in round 2-3, who was another part of the massive interior line in Wisconsin.

Lets not forget that Hudson was graded as a NFL C and was drafted to be the C. So no matter which position we take, be it G or C, both positions are filled with new players.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by jd1020

We could also solve both problems by drafting someone like DeCatro or even Zeitler in round 2-3, who was another part of the massive interior line in Wisconsin.

Lets not forget that Hudson was graded as a NFL C and was drafted to be the C. So no matter which position we take, be it G or C, both positions are filled with new players.

That's also a good plan. I'm just saying that Konz would be a better pick than a RT in the first round.

[RealSNR]

If I were Pioli and didn't offer a trade up package to grab a QB, there wouldn't be many guys at 11 or 12 that really hit my clit.

Our first priority should be attempting to acquire RGIII or Luck

After that, one of those top two tackles would be great. Right now I don't see either of them making it out of the top 10, and trading up for them would just be ****ing stupid.

After that, the best value that I can see are those two corners. Claiborne and Kirkpatrick are mother****ers. Again, however, that means we'd likely have to go up and get them, and I'm really not cool with doing that. Also, it would probably mean Pioli would let Carr go, which would piss off the lot of us considering how much money we're sitting on.

So after those three unlikely scenarios for talent that the Chiefs could use, we're stuck looking at an inside backer in Kuechly, an elite guard, and elite center, or a slight reach at RT (Reiff). We could go Kuechly, but O.city claims we can get Hightower in the second. After that we're looking at interior line, because I've already made the case why they would fit better on this team than a RT in Round 1. So Kuechly or DeCastro/Konz it looks like. And both of these options have similar possibilities in the later rounds.

So... either way we're going to have to bite the bullet and spend the first rounder in a way that doesn't exactly maximize value. At least we're having this problem at pick #12, and not pick #3.

[O.city]

I'd be perfectly fine with Jds draft.

If we could trade back and pick up an extra second, which is stretching it but we got a 3 last year to back up in the 20's. I think going from 11 to say 21 could get us a 2.

We could then go.

1. Konz
2a. Hightower
2b. Reynolds
3. Fleener
4. Chris Polk/Vic Ballard which ever one is around.
5. Bpa
6. Bpa
7. Bpa

Even if you missed on 5 thru 7, the first four rounds are solid.

We could come out of this draft with a pro bowl C, solid RT, ILB that knows the scheme we run and is a monster in the middle, great TE, and solid RB to compliment Charles.

[Extra Point]

Upshaw. Bookended with Hali, that may be something. Then, again, the O-line needs help. Konz would be a good pick. Our first round D-line picks have been more than suspect over the years.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Extra Point

Upshaw. Bookended with Hali, that may be something. Then, again, the O-line needs help. Konz would be a good pick. Our first round D-line picks have been more than suspect over the years.

Meh.

Dorsey was drafted to play 4-3 DT. He got 1 year.

Jackson was a wtf pick but if he continues to improve, in hindsight, he'll end up being a decent #3 pick just because of how bad that draft was.