Chiefs Xs and Os: The Denver Pick Plays - Page 3

**petegz28** · 11-10-2013, 08:56 PM

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nf...blockID=949223

Very interesting read...long but interesting

Silock · 11-10-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

I agree that there is plenty of misalignment going on in those gifs, but I'm not referring specifically to those gifs. Eric Decker today, on several plays, completely blocked a guy before the ball left Manning's hands. Welker too. The screen play to Demaryius Thomas was an obvious one. 2 defenders were engaged by blockers before the pass had been thrown. Jim Nance mentioned something like "Welker did a great job of timing his block just as Manning threw it" but that was bullshit. It was early.

I know we'll see it next week and I know it'll piss me off. I do feel confident though that our secondary is athletic and physical enough to counter it and probably make it work in our favor. Those wheel routes are the ones that Peyton has been picked on...and it's happened because he expects the pick to open the receiver up...when the corner or safety takes a good route to the ball and isn't knocked off his path by one of the other receivers, they're in a prime position to undercut the route and snatch the ball.

And if he hesitates because of the coverage, then he'll be saying "Hello" to Misters Hali, Houston and Poe.

listopencil · 11-10-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

I agree that there is plenty of misalignment going on in those gifs, but I'm not referring specifically to those gifs. Eric Decker today, on several plays, completely blocked a guy before the ball left Manning's hands. Welker too. The screen play to Demaryius Thomas was an obvious one. 2 defenders were engaged by blockers before the pass had been thrown. Jim Nance mentioned something like "Welker did a great job of timing his block just as Manning threw it" but that was bullshit. It was early.

I know we'll see it next week and I know it'll piss me off. I do feel confident though that our secondary is athletic and physical enough to counter it and probably make it work in our favor. Those wheel routes are the ones that Peyton has been picked on...and it's happened because he expects the pick to open the receiver up...when the corner or safety takes a good route to the ball and isn't knocked off his path by one of the other receivers, they're in a prime position to undercut the route and snatch the ball.

I didn't get to watch the entire game, and I was distracted when I did get to watch. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it. There is a lot of physical contact going on near the LOS though. Guys on D are trying to knock our guys off of routes, and we're trying to set them up to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It wouldn't surprise me if Decker got his hands on a guy and started blocking too early.

Strongside · 11-10-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

There's a difference between an illegal pick-play and designed rub routes versus man coverage. These are the reasons why bunch formations even exist. It's only illegal if the receivers are actively blocking/knocking people over before the ball is in the air. Lern2football noobs.

Learn to watch the Denver offense. What you just described as being illegal is exactly what's happening. Truth be told, I don't give a shit either way. If Manning is on his ass, then it's tough to throw the football to a wide open receiver.

**petegz28** · 11-10-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I didn't get to watch the entire game, and I was distracted when I did get to watch. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it. There is a lot of physical contact going on near the LOS though. Guys on D are trying to knock our guys off of routes, and we're trying to set them up to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It wouldn't surprise me if Decker got his hands on a guy and started blocking too early.

The hold was 5-10 yards downfield

**Ragged Robin** · 11-10-2013, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

Learn to watch the Denver offense. What you just described as being illegal is exactly what's happening. Truth be told, I don't give a shit either way. If Manning is on his ass, then it's tough to throw the football to a wide open receiver.

lol not at all. You're exaggerating at best, refs would never flag that unless the receivers are blatantly blocking and don't even look like running routes. Plays like in the gif happen ALL THE TIME.

listopencil · 11-10-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The hold was 5-10 yards downfield

I don't know which play you are talking about.

stevieray · 11-10-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

lol not at all. You're exaggerating at best, refs would never flag that unless the receivers are blatantly blocking and don't even look like running routes. Plays like in the gif happen ALL THE TIME.

talk about exaggeration. THEY aren't running routes.....at the very least they are holding.

**Ragged Robin** · 11-10-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

talk about exaggeration. THEY aren't running routes.....at the very least they are holding.

Incidental and unavoidable contact. Notice how they CONTINUE on with their routes. Completely legal play that happens in every single game. Out of all the illegal "pick plays" the one in the gif doesn't show it AT ALL. You guys seriously need to watch more football if you think that's a great example of an illegal pick play rofl.

Seriously. All that's shown is just a well executed play that was completely designed to beat the coverage that was played.

baitism · 11-10-2013, 09:57 PM

The CBs can always light up the receiver. At least that will force the refs to address it.

Silock · 11-10-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Incidental and unavoidable contact. Notice how they CONTINUE on with their routes. Completely legal play that happens in every single game. Out of all the illegal "pick plays" the one in the gif doesn't show it AT ALL. You guys seriously need to watch more football if you think that's a great example of an illegal pick play rofl.

Seriously. All that's shown is just a well executed play that was completely designed to beat the coverage that was played.

Bullshit. Look at the second .gif. Moreno ALTERS HIS ROUTE and lowers his shoulder into the defender. He runs straight TO the defender; he's not running a route.

KChiefer · 11-10-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Incidental and unavoidable contact. Notice how they CONTINUE on with their routes. Completely legal play that happens in every single game. Out of all the illegal "pick plays" the one in the gif doesn't show it AT ALL. You guys seriously need to watch more football if you think that's a great example of an illegal pick play rofl.

Seriously. All that's shown is just a well executed play that was completely designed to beat the coverage that was played.

Please just

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Thomas points to the spot where he wants Moreno to run his pick. And calling it a "rub" doesn't magically make it legal.

**Ragged Robin** · 11-10-2013, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Bullshit. Look at the second .gif. Moreno ALTERS HIS ROUTE and lowers his shoulder into the defender. He runs straight TO the defender; he's not running a route.

rofl you guys are grasping for straws. Look, I hate Denver as much as the next guy (well except the "fans" that are apparently expect us to lose to prove that Alex and the rest sucks), but the play shown is nowhere close to what would be considered an "illegal pick play." Please google the term or youtube or whatever to get a better idea of what it is. If the receivers completely truck/tackle or otherwise stop their route at the point of contact to blatantly block, it's an illegal pick play. What's shown is a perfectly legal rub route out of a bunch formation versus man coverage doing EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-10-2013, 10:05 PM

Absolute horeshit these plays are allowed. One game they got 200 plus yards of YAC cause of this garbage.

WhiteWhale · 11-10-2013, 10:05 PM

KC runs plays just like this all the time.

In his time in Philly Reid ran stuff like this more than anyone.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-10-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

rofl you guys are grasping for straws. Look, I hate Denver as much as the next guy (well except the "fans" that are apparently expect us to lose to prove that Alex and the rest sucks), but the play shown is nowhere close to what would be considered an "illegal pick play." Please google the term or youtube or whatever to get a better idea of what it is. If the receivers completely truck/tackle or otherwise stop their route at the point of contact to blatantly block, it's an illegal pick play. What's shown is a perfectly legal rub route out of a bunch formation versus man coverage doing EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.

Bullshir. Only a complete donco ballwashet would defend these plays.

11-10-2013, 08:56 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2534127	Xs and Os: The Denver Pick Plays http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nf...blockID=949223 Very interesting read...long but interesting
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11-10-2013, 10:05 PM	#43
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3728880	Absolute horeshit these plays are allowed. One game they got 200 plus yards of YAC cause of this garbage.
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11-10-2013, 10:05 PM	#44
WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah Casino cash: $10015152	KC runs plays just like this all the time. In his time in Philly Reid ran stuff like this more than anyone.
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