My thoughts on the game last night

[Mr. Flopnuts]

There were a few spots that I look back too and think that we did ourselves in. First off, the guys came out nervous as a mother****er and made some silly mistakes. LOTS of dropped passes early on (Avery anyone?) that could've and would've changed the momentum and feel of the game right out of the gate. You come out fired up, and not scared and who knows how the game plays out right from the start?

Why on Earth would we want to put the ball in the hands of the weakest unit of our team to start a game? Win the toss, defer and let your ****ing defense try to create some field position for you to start the game. Use your strengths to your advantage! Get the ****ing crowd out of it a tad with a big 3 and out to open the game, and try to put yourself in a position to have a 60 yard field instead of an 80 yard field with the crowd in full throat. I know the crowd would've been loud anyways, but seriously, who here wouldn't have played D to start off with the choice?

Turning the ball over directly after creating a redzone opportunity for ourselves was the beginning of the end and none of us really knew it at the time. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot. We've talked all year how unpredictable turnovers are, and we all know this team was 9-0 directly because of their abilities to not only create those opportunities, but the fact that we were very good at protecting the ball. It was a fluke deal, and completely out of the blue, but the timing was pitiful and deflated our entire offense. Between the drops and that untimely fumble, I never saw any fire out of our offense the rest of the night. I mean there wasn't much before, but that completely took the sail out of our winds.

Kicking an 18 yd FG in Denver, against Peyton Manning. Uhh, what? Who the **** does that? Take your ****ing chances and pound that ball up their asses for the 4th straight time! I was livid over that last night. I know in a lot of situations when you have a defense like ours, and more importantly an offense like ours, you have to take points anytime you can get them. Not against a goddamned record setting offense like Peyton's Broncos. You have to score TD's when you're inside the ****ing 5, and you have to be willing to do whatever it takes to get them. I would've rather flamed out right there, and at least went after it. We knew we were giving up more than 17 last night. My thoughts the whole week was to hold them under 30 and create some opportunities on offense. That one swing would've made the game 27-21 with 5 minutes left to play.

Demps totally had a read on the pass he jumped, and he should've taken that ball to the house. He flat out missed it, and it cost us. That would've shifted the momentum to us, and fired up our front 7 coming right back on the field. That one play alone, while there were a few that were gamechangers, was the one that I think would have won us the game had we made it. We had a lot of our own shortcomings to overcome, but had he made that play I honestly think we win the game. Not gonna ride the young man too much here, I think he made a good play on the ball and I'm impressed he read it so perfectly, but you have to convert on those rare golden opportunities.

If Jamaal Charles breaks that carry and doesn't stumble, he goes to the house. No one was going to catch him. I will never give him shit for stumbling on a play, because most of the time he will take that ball to the house. It is however a Goddamned shame that the one time he flubs up is in primetime, on the road in Denver in the biggest game of their lives because that was another turning point where we didn't capitalize. Does anyone think he gets caught if he keeps his feet and momentum running down the sidelines?

If any one of us had been told we would hold Denver to under 30 points we would've taken it, and ran with it. What if we were told we could hold them to 20? I blame the last TD they scored on some of the shittiest, most vanilla play calling I've ever seen in a big game like this in the 3rd quarter last night. Our D is holding them to consecutive 3 and outs and we can't get any kind of game going at all. Just a couple of first downs in that stretch and our D probably doesn't let Peyton slice through us like a stick of butter to end the 3rd quarter. And that was the game changer. Yeah, the FG that made it a 3 possession game put the nail in our coffin, but having multiple opportunities to go and tie the game up, or at least pull us within 4 would've been a huge lift to the D and kept them playing inspired defense.

All in all, this game wasn't even close. They handled us in their house on primetime television. But they didn't blow us out. And they didn't beat us nearly as much as we beat ourselves. Things aren't always going to go your way, and you won't get all the bounces like we had in every game leading up to last night. It felt like all of it caught up with us. How these guys respond next week back at home will make a big statement on what our playoff chances look like, and whether or not we can snap the playoff losing streak. That's my biggest deal. I really didn't expect to make the playoffs this year, and if we can just win a damned playoff game I will call the whole season a miracle. That said, if we continued doing what we had done all year, and capitalized on other team's mistakes, and our own opportunities, we all wake up feeling amazing about our 10-0 team.

The rematch in KC is going to be a HUGE game and the entire Nation will be tuned in again. We still control our own destiny, and even though we weren't close last night, I still feel better about this team than I honestly thought I was going too this morning. They have the ability, and talent to make a pretty good run in the playoffs. We all know how they respond this week however is going to dictate how the rest of the season and that run goes though. Watching a team react to it's first loss is always interesting. Having it come this late in the year is the difference between a Super Bowl run, and an epic collapse. We've seen both in the NFL in recent years, I'll be curious how this Chiefs team plays out. We could easily go down in history either way...

Edit: 1 more thing. I'm not jumping Marcus Cooper's shit. Someone on this defense has given up a long play every single week it seems like. Last night he gave up a couple of big plays. Not the end of the world, and he's still overachieving like a mother****er. His entire season, and acquisition feels like a huge gift. Let's not get down on him too much considering who he is, the role he plays, and how he's done as a whole up to this point. He has a big future ahead of him in red and gold.

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Sherman's fumble was at least a 10 point swing in a 10 point game. Biggest moment of the game even though it came early.

Give Donks credit. They went after the ball.

[The Franchise]

On the other side....Flowers and Smith did a damn good job last night. Cooper will only get better.

[ChiefRocka]

We definitely beat ourselves last night. No doubt.

PS- Our Wrs blow

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

Give Donks credit. They went after the ball.

Or give Sherman the blame for not covering up the ball after the first hit when it was clear that he was not going to get many more yards.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by ChiefsSuckBalls

There's a lot of putting lipstick on a pig in this thread!

Ehh, not really - I can name several teams that would trade places with the Chiefs, such as: 'most' of the league.

So politely eat a jar of pickled cock.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

Ehh, not really - I can name several teams that would trade places with the Chiefs, such as: 'most' of the league.

So politely eat a jar of pickled cock.

[durtyrute]

Play calling, drops, play calling, penalties, play calling.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I don't normally complain about the refs.....but they were ****ing horrible last night. With that in mind....we beat ourselves.

Penalties
Kansas City 9-53
Denver 13-82

They actually had 4 more and another 30 yards of flags. I don't know where because all I saw were the horrible holds in the first half against Hali-even Collingsworth laughed when Denver's lineman had hali in a choke hold!

[Beef Supreme]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

Play calling, drops, play calling, penalties, play calling.

Pretty much this. But I'll add that Alex Smith can't throw on the run at all, and checking down to the running back behind the line of scrimmage with less than a minute left and down 10 points kinda says it all.

Collinsworth was cracking me up. When Smith checked that ball down he was like "I ... don't have anything else to say." Then the next play "Just throw it!"

[notorious]

I am not worried one bit.

1. Refs called it tight, but very close to fair in my book. At Arrowhead, I guarantee that they are going to let us play our game on defense.

2. We threw down field a lot more, and guys were open. If our WR's catch balls that hit them in the hands we are going to be just fine.

3. THIS IS YEAR ONE!

[Urc Burry]

Putting so much trust in a 7th round corner killed us. I love Cooper but Thomas is a fringe top 5 WR.

Also I loved Flowers just bullying Welker, even if he did probably lose the matchup

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by notorious

3. THIS IS YEAR ONE!

This is my favorite part, and it can't be stated enough

[Dayze]

things that are clear to me:

Offensive Line:
1. The Chiefs interior OL is average / slightly below average. Routinely give up the battle for LOS on both run and pass plays. They allow pressure with a lot of vanilla DL schemes.
2. Fisher – it’s hit and miss with this guy. I sincerely hope it’s a matter being indoctrinated into the NFL. I’m also concnered that ‘if’ he’s having trouble adapting to the right side with any sort of success, that it will be worse if Albert walks and he moves to the left. I’m concerned with him playing at LT considering he’s good for at least 3-5 speed rushes that go right by him on the right side, all the while facing teams’ non-speed rushers.

WR Corps
1. We do not have talented WR corps. As a unit, we are average / slightly below average
2. We do not have a legitimate receiver that worries any secondary of getting beat deep.
3. Our WRs are not able to get separation with any consistency. Not good for the 4-7 yard timing West Coast Offense / YAC routes. Add in the fact that our QB is does not throw to anything but wide-open WRs makes our passing game weak. We need to be able to hit receivers when they’re open by NFL standards.
4. Our WRs as a unit are inconsistent in catching passes. They’re like a box of chocolates; you never know what you’re gonna get
5. The overall speed of our WR corps are mediocre. This isn’at ‘as big’ of a problem as it would seem as a blanket statement. However, the lack of seperation and YAC make it a legitimate concern in this offense.

Secondary
1. Kendrick Lewis – was routinely a step or two late in his assignments. I really want to like the guy, but I don’t think he’s cut out for the position. But, it is what it is this season.
2. Concerned with opposing WRs getting behind our CBs by a step or two on a somewhat routine basis. ‘If you’re even, you’re leavin’” as they would say. Compound this with Lewis’ reaction time and play recognition make me hold my breath when opposing QBs toss the 30+ yd passes.
3. Cooper – first time on the ‘big stage’ for him I believe. He’s a hell of a pickup and I think will continue to improve. He’s tackled the learning curve with surprising results. I think he’ll take a few lessons away from this game. He definitely needs to improve in the home stretch of the season; particularly against San Diego and Denver in the upcoming weeks.

Offensive Play Calling / QB / Etc
1. Overall predictability
2. Not built to come from behind more than probably 13+ points. Mistake free football and excellent defense will let the offense succeed, but their margin for error is very small
3. Seems apparent that our plan for big gains in the passing game is geared around screens in one way or another. This is probably necessary due to the WR issues above.

-Dayze The Couch Potato Scout

[Sorter]

I really, really hate that this concept has seemingly een removed from the PB.



A staple of the E/P but used by most systems, incredibly effective with Bowe (due to his physical abilities) and is absolutely nowhere to be found.

I miss the Razor concept.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by notorious

I am not worried one bit.

1. Refs called it tight, but very close to fair in my book. At Arrowhead, I guarantee that they are going to let us play our game on defense.

2. We threw down field a lot more, and guys were open. If our WR's catch balls that hit them in the hands we are going to be just fine.

3. THIS IS YEAR ONE!

Well said!

Everyone needs to remember point # 3. Just to be on this stage NOW is quite an accomplishment. NOBODY was supposed to even be in a position to challenge Denver this year. We ARE.