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Old 04-06-2014, 08:07 PM   #1
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KISS was the definitive predecessor for heavy metal. Yes, there were others: Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, The New York Dolls, Black Sabbath, etc.,. But KISS made it mainstream, sellable, and popular. One of my favorite bands, I've seen them many times.

And I never get why people argue over music. Music is like food: there's a lot of different varieties but, from filet mignon to Doritos, it all has a role. I love The Who, The Doors, AC/DC, Led Zep, The Beatles, Styx, Garth Brooks, ELO, Kate Bush, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rush, Aerosmith, ABBA, Vivaldi, Celtic Thunder, Metallica, Tori Amos, Wings, Front 242 , Fort Minor, Helloween, John Williams... They all have different roles and different places.
I believe the band you are looking for is Led Zeppelin. KISS was just a hard rock band with Arthur Brown's theatrics.

Really, metal didn't become mainstream until the NWOBHM hit the states.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:41 PM   #2
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I believe the band you are looking for is Led Zeppelin. KISS was just a hard rock band with Arthur Brown's theatrics.
And Zep was just a blues band with electric instruments. You can spin things many ways. I'm not saying KISS was "Mozart meets Beethoven" but they have their place in history.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:55 PM   #3
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And Zep was just a blues band with electric instruments. You can spin things many ways. I'm not saying KISS was "Mozart meets Beethoven" but they have their place in history.

Yes, a hard blues band that explored a number of different styles of music and each one of them were extremely talented musicians. They helped define a style of music.

KISS might of influenced a lot of people to start making music but their actual artistic and musical influence is pretty minimal. They didn't have a Jon Bonham, Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, Keith Moon, Pete Townsend, Ian Gillian, Richie Blackmore, Geezer Butler, or Tony Iommi.
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:51 AM   #4
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Yes, a hard blues band that explored a number of different styles of music and each one of them were extremely talented musicians. They helped define a style of music.

KISS might of influenced a lot of people to start making music but their actual artistic and musical influence is pretty minimal. They didn't have a Jon Bonham, Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, Keith Moon, Pete Townsend, Ian Gillian, Richie Blackmore, Geezer Butler, or Tony Iommi.
Why does that have to be understated?

The Who might have had a huge artistic and musical contribution but they didn't INFLUENCE hardly anybody. When you talk to artists who started in that era, almost all of them say they were influenced by Jeff Beck, Eric Claption, and/or the Yardbirds...
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:16 PM   #5
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KISS was the definitive predecessor for heavy metal. Yes, there were others: Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, The New York Dolls, Black Sabbath, etc.,. But KISS made it mainstream, sellable, and popular. One of my favorite bands, I've seen them many times.

And I never get why people argue over music. Music is like food: there's a lot of different varieties but, from filet mignon to Doritos, it all has a role. I love The Who, The Doors, AC/DC, Led Zep, The Beatles, Styx, Garth Brooks, ELO, Kate Bush, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rush, Aerosmith, ABBA, Vivaldi, Celtic Thunder, Metallica, Tori Amos, Wings, Front 242 , Fort Minor, Helloween, John Williams... They all have different roles and different places.
It's a little bigger than that - KISS was part of a small group of Detroit bands that preceded American metal. The MC5, the , and Alice Cooper all deserve mention as well. The Detroit connection is important because more went into metal than just music. There was a mindset in the Motor City that couldn't be found in New York or Hollywood (look what Hollywood produced on the late 70s and 80s).

On the other side of the Atlantic, Birmingham was the sister city. Starkly industrial, the guys in Black Sabbath and Priest both said the constant pounding of the factories ingrained something in them subconsciously that ultimately came out in their music.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:31 PM   #6
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It's a little bigger than that - KISS was part of a small group of Detroit bands that preceded American metal. The MC5, the , and Alice Cooper all deserve mention as well. The Detroit connection is important because more went into metal than just music. There was a mindset in the Motor City that couldn't be found in New York or Hollywood (look what Hollywood produced on the late 70s and 80s).

On the other side of the Atlantic, Birmingham was the sister city. Starkly industrial, the guys in Black Sabbath and Priest both said the constant pounding of the factories ingrained something in them subconsciously that ultimately came out in their music.
I think you may be a little confused.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:23 PM   #8
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KISS was the definitive predecessor for heavy metal. Yes, there were others: Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, The New York Dolls, Black Sabbath, etc.,. But KISS made it mainstream, sellable, and popular. One of my favorite bands, I've seen them many times.

And I never get why people argue over music. Music is like food: there's a lot of different varieties but, from filet mignon to Doritos, it all has a role. I love The Who, The Doors, AC/DC, Led Zep, The Beatles, Styx, Garth Brooks, ELO, Kate Bush, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rush, Aerosmith, ABBA, Vivaldi, Celtic Thunder, Metallica, Tori Amos, Wings, Front 242 , Fort Minor, Helloween, John Williams... They all have different roles and different places.
What?
And did you really mean to say THE definitive predecessor?
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Yes, a hard blues band that explored a number of different styles of music and each one of them were extremely talented musicians. They helped define a style of music.

KISS might of influenced a lot of people to start making music but their actual artistic and musical influence is pretty minimal. They didn't have a Jon Bonham, Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, Keith Moon, Pete Townsend, Ian Gillian, Richie Blackmore, Geezer Butler, or Tony Iommi.
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Why does that have to be understated?

The Who might have had a huge artistic and musical contribution but they didn't INFLUENCE hardly anybody. When you talk to artists who started in that era, almost all of them say they were influenced by Jeff Beck, Eric Claption, and/or the Yardbirds...
He's illiterate. Don't pick on him.


Your statement is very true for guitar players. Those guys were icons and they were very influential. I think you're underestimating The Who's influence on music. It was huge. Pete Townshend didn't wow too many people with his playing, but he sure did with his songwriting. Keith Moon would be in the same class as Beck & Clapton for drummers. He was insane.
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