How San Diego TOTALLY ****ed us.

[Dave Lane]

I have a theory, actually a hypothesis since I can't test it. I think the San Diego game was the worst loss in recent team history. Not because we lost mind you, but because we barely lost with our backups. Its the only thing that explains Dorsey's complete lack of off season moves and then sudden burst of FA crap fest this week.

Dorsey must have convinced himself that we were deep and ready to win with the next man. How he didn't see the trend of 2-6 would be surprising. But then, maybe he's just not very good at what he's doing.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

How the **** do we have one of the youngest teams in the NFL, but are having cap troubles?

Sorry I can't help you there, but there are about 100 "experts" here that will be glad to give you mis information.
Stand by.....

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

72 months? Looking impossible? You got a real crystal ball there big guy.

Best case scenario is something like the Seahawks whose core players were mostly drafted from 2010-2012 for a win in 2013.

Visually, and including second stringers and UDFAs:

2010: Golden Tate, Russel Okung, Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Walter Thurmond Lemuel Jeanpierre
2011: KJ Wright, Richard Sherman, Malcolm Smith, James Carpenter, Byron Maxwell Doug Baldwin
2012: Russell Wilson, JR Sweezy, Bobby Wagner, Bruce Irvin, Robert Turbin Jermaine Kearse, DeShawn Shead

11 starters.

Thomas and Chancellor made the Pro Bowl in their second season in '11 with Thomas being joined by Okung and Wilson in '12.

Extrapolating that out for KC's sake, but saying 2016 is the payoff year.

2012: Poe, Allen, Stephenson, Gray, Hemingway
2013: Fisher, Kelce, Davis, Nico Johnson, Commings, Kush, Catapano (Cooper, off the waiver wire) Hammond, Dem. Harris, Josh Martin
2014: Ford, Gaines, D'AT, Murray, Fulton, Duvernay-Tardif Santos, Al Wilson,

Poe made the PB in his second year.. And there isn't anyone from the '13 draft class that looks like they're far enough along to warrant that kind of consideration.

Of course this is comparing a world champion team in '13 in Seattle to a backed-in to the postseason with a wildcard Kansas City. Recognizing the 'hawks roster doesn't prove it's impossible for KC to win anything.

My point being is that a team that won the SB recently did it through a solid slate of drafting and depth UDFA pickups. Three of their 2010 picks were starters and one was a second stringer at the end of 2011. Then it was four 2010 picks starting with two backups joined by three 2011 picks on the starting along with two backups.

Poe and (at the moment) Allen are the only starters picked from 2012, Fisher and Cooper are the only '13 picks starting. That's 2 or 3 starters, 4 if you include Allen. Next year, there might only be three more guys from 2013 cracking the starting lineup in Kelce, Kush or Hammond. That's 6-7 guys acquired from '12 and '13 coming in as starters: and only one of them is at the level of a very good player in Poe.


Take that into consideration and Dorsey will need to have ALL of the guys acquired in '14 to become above average stars to duplicate the success the Seahawks had in 2013 for a Super Bowl run in 2015. Is that probable? No, and that's not a pessimistic thing to say.

Then you look to 2016, which would mean the guys from '14 are well established veterans who garner pro bowl consideration and the guys drafted in 2015 are developing into role players with some starters mixed in. Will that net a championship? Unlikely, unless there are two or three guys from the '15 draft who flash pro bowl level talent after less than two seasons in the league, so you look to the next season then.

So, really, 2017 might be when we can start to think a championship is based somewhat in reality. My issue with this is that it relies heavily on the guys drafted four months ago being top-flight league talent.. And while it's certainly possible, it would mean KC has a guy as good or better than Houston at OLB in Dee Ford, a Sproles-like playmaker in D'AT, a very good corner in Gaines, Murray as the starting QB, Albert Wilson as a lights-out #2 receiver and Fulton and DVT as excellent interior linemen with Santos being a clutch kicker. That's a LOOOOOOONG list of what-ifs.

Thus logically the Chiefs, assuming they are going to win anything, have yet to draft the guys who will be the foundation capable of earning a Lombardi. That means KC is a year away from beginning to lay that foundation, and ONLY if Dorsey proves to be a better evaluator of talent and a GM savvy enough to sign FAs and re-sign guys who are key more so than what he's demonstrated so far.

[Gadzooks]

Ha ha, the Chargers ****ed you into a false sense of security.
All off-season all I heard was "Oh yeah, our back-ups almost beat your starters".
I'm sure Dorsey reads the board and figured there was no need to make the team better. Instead the Chiefs planned for the future by picking Dee ford to replace Tamba Hali.
Ha ha. (BTW -You all forgot the Chargers beat your starters several weeks earlier).

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

So, really, 2017 might be when we can start to think a championship is based somewhat in reality.

Well... sure sounds like you have it all figured out.

Alright, everyone... that's a wrap. Pack it all up and come back in 3 years for the real deal. Enjoy your extensive time off now!

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Well... sure sounds like you have it all figured out.

Alright, everyone... that's a wrap. Pack it all up and come back in 3 years for the real deal. Enjoy your extensive time off now!

Feel like having a real take at some point or are you going to let a .gif image do all the work for you?

[Coochie liquor]

I'm not very familiar with Seattles situation. But I know for a fact they weren't the worst team in the league when their new regime took over. And I've got to think their last regime didn't leave them in as bad of shape as Pioli left us. Hard to compare them.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

I'm not very fiamiliar with Seattles situation. But I know for a fact they weren't the worst team in the league when their new regime took over. And I've got to think their last regime didn't leave them in as bad of shape as Puoli left us. Hard to compare them.

Year before Carroll took over in Seattle, the Hawks had zero pro bowlers.

Year before Dorsey took over in KC, the Chiefs had six.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Feel like having a real take at some point or are you going to let a .gif image do all the work for you?

I have spouted my thoughts on this specific topic already. ( a legit shot next year, with some quality acquisitions and less unfortunate injuries )

I just find it arrogant and galling that you can sit there and claim to know just when the real window of success opens up. But if it makes you feel all yoda-like, hey... go for it.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

I'm not very familiar with Seattles situation. But I know for a fact they weren't the worst team in the league when their new regime took over. And I've got to think their last regime didn't leave them in as bad of shape as Pioli left us. Hard to compare them.

I"m not sure. Age deteriorated the Seahawks until Holmgren left and Mora is a dumpster fire of a head coach.

I think KC"s best players are much better than what Carroll inherited, but KC has struggled with an overabundance of really BAD players.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Year before Carroll took over in Seattle, the Hawks had zero pro bowlers.

Year before Dorsey took over in KC, the Chiefs had six.

Not legitimate cuz.... Ummm..... Ahhhh....

Lil chiefy!!

[CoMoChief]

Trading two 2nd rd picks for Alex Smith (and then giving him a big deal) and drafting Eric Fisher at #1 instead of re-signing Albert is going to set this team back at least 5 yrs.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

I'm not very familiar with Seattles situation. But I know for a fact they weren't the worst team in the league when their new regime took over. And I've got to think their last regime didn't leave them in as bad of shape as Pioli left us. Hard to compare them.

If Pioli really left this team in that bad of shape, how did we manage to go 11-5 last year? Something doesn't compute there lil Chiefy.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Not legitimate cuz.... Ummm..... Ahhhh....

Lil chiefy!!

Apparently your too stupid to read my previous post. I said I don't know what Seattles situation was. But thanks for playing!!

[Dave Lane]

I just thought I'd let you know the pretty soon your testicles are going to drop so don't be afraid it's natural happens to all of us.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

If Pioli really left this team in that bad of shape, how did we manage to go 11-5 last year? Something doesn't compute there lil Chiefy.

So his draft picks were good? How many times do we have to go over this. Til you finally get the outcome you're looking for? JFC!