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Old 04-07-2015, 10:24 AM  
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Browns, Eagles Discussing Trade Involving Johnny Manziel And Sam Bradford
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Old 04-07-2015, 02:46 PM   #31
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so you are assuming the best while other people are dubious?

Sounds familiar, you have a history of slamming people for not being rah-rah.


It's not looking good so far, but he might have a plan that works out.
Bah, I'm only assuming that college and pro coaches just might know something that Joe Schmendrick at ProFootballTeamPlanet doesnt.

And really, how can anyone say Kellys plan isnt looking good until they start playing games?
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Old 04-07-2015, 02:46 PM   #32
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why would they have to pay his salary forever?

NFL contracts aren't guaranteed and the rookie cap has lowered the bonus money. They could make Manziel a june 1st cup and only take a 6 million dollar hit in dead money. They could also use the june 1st split and make it 3 million this year and 3 mill next yr.

about 3 million less than we just took on Bowe
A good chunk of the rookies taken in the first round have fully guaranteed contracts for four years.
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Old 04-07-2015, 02:53 PM   #33
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Old 04-07-2015, 03:27 PM   #34
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Bradford is one more injury away from retirement
Manziel is one more drink away from drunk row

why would anyone trade for either one?
Yeah... they both suck...
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Old 04-07-2015, 03:36 PM   #35
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A good chunk of the rookies taken in the first round have fully guaranteed contracts for four years.
6 million is the amount of his contract that is guaranteed, 4 million in signing bonus.

assuming that the remaining 2 million dollars could be saved by trading Manziel instead of cutting him

4 million has already been paid and can't be changed unless Cleveland tries to get money back from Manziel for a conduct violation
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Old 04-07-2015, 03:41 PM   #36
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A good chunk of the rookies taken in the first round have fully guaranteed contracts for four years.
Sure. But i'd imagine cutting him is still cheaper than giving up a 1st AND paying Sam Bradford.
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Old 04-07-2015, 03:55 PM   #37
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How have Eagles fans not gone Mussolini on Chip Kelly yet?
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Old 04-07-2015, 04:14 PM   #38
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If this report is true (a big if), then Chip Kelly is obviously trying to get fired on purpose so he can return to the college game that he misses.
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Old 04-07-2015, 04:59 PM   #39
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The Browns are in no man's land. They can't possibly sell to their fan base using another first on a project QB. They definitely can't sell to their fan base trading up. They also can't sell to their fan base another miserable season.

I can't believe they'd give up this much, but I kind of get it. The Browns need a winning season a lot more desperately than the Chiefs do. Cleveland was a borderline playoff team with Hoyer and Weeden at QB. Bradford is terrible but he's a million times better than anyone they've had. That says a lot.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:16 PM   #40
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Wrong. They are basically paying someone to take Manziel. Easily with the price to rid yourself of that idiot.
Manziel to PHI. This is shaping up to be the story of a superstar. Fresh out of rehab, goes to Chip Kelly, makes "weird" Chip's system fly.

Bowe takes whatever shitty QB Cleveland throws out there, and makes him $$$.

Exciting times. Exciting off season for these two franchises.

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Can you believe there might be two teams dumb enough to trade for Bradford...??
We're talking about a league where morons will give 2 seconds for a broken, aging game-manager.

So yes, I can believe it.
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Like I've said before, players are going to avoid playing in Philly after word gets around about Kelly's micromanagement of their lives outside of the stadium.
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6 million is the amount of his contract that is guaranteed, 4 million in signing bonus.

assuming that the remaining 2 million dollars could be saved by trading Manziel instead of cutting him

4 million has already been paid and can't be changed unless Cleveland tries to get money back from Manziel for a conduct violation
Understood, but you said that rookie contracts aren't guaranteed. That's not correct.
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I wonder what it would take to trade for Manziels rights.

I'd flip em a 4th or 5th.
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