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Old 09-03-2015, 01:01 PM   #1
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Daniel will likely be gone next season. I'm not sure what the drama is about concerning Bray...He'll have a few years in Reid's system. Makes sense to keep him around and see where he's at. KC will need 3 QBs....they've been able to develop him without taking a roster spot.

If he sucks...so what. This seems more like a contingency plan than anything.
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Old 09-03-2015, 02:26 PM   #2
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Jaye Howard is under contract through the 2016 season. He has two years left.

For what the Chiefs could or should reasonably offer him at this point in his career, that makes no sense for Howard to accept that kind of deal or extension. He himself knows that he's better off at least waiting until later in the season when he's further shown the large strides he's made as a player and the Chiefs raise that contract number significantly. And even if the Chiefs would offer him that amount in the extension, not all players are Allen Bailey who will take security over the potential for ultra big bucks. And honestly, why would he? When Poe comes back, he's going to be on the field a bunch, but he probably won't be starting.

The Chiefs have time to either plan for his replacement or wait and see what his height is. It's highly unlikely they've got a JJ Watt on their hands, so I don't see them missing out on landing a great deal for an incredible player.
According to overthecap and sportrac he isn't under contract in 2016. I totally get the rest of what you're saying though. It does take 2 to tango. But he has been a complete animal against the run and he can play both nose and end and that is very valuable. I don't see what it would hurt to at least start neegotiating.
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Old 09-03-2015, 02:30 PM   #3
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According to overthecap he isn't under contract in 2016. I totally get the rest of what you're saying though. It does take 2 to tango.
Spotrac also has him at UFA after this season.

I don't know why that wouldn't be the case. He was a waiver claim, yes? So they'd get him with his entry level deal. As a 4th round pick in 2012, 2015 would seem to be his last year under that contract.

They have some dry powder if they want to keep him but they need to do it sooner rather than later, IMO. The closer he gets to FA, the more likely he is to want to test it. Every game he plays healthy will be one more hurdle he clears and if he plays well at all, the price will only go up.

Like SNR said, there's probably not a deal that makes sense for both sides here. If I'm him, I'd want a fair amount to give up free agency. And if I'm the Chiefs, I've not seen enough to give him that.

It's probably best to just let him play his ass off in his FA season and then see what the market holds. I just don't see a good point of intersection for the two parties here.
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Old 09-03-2015, 02:32 PM   #4
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Spotrac also has him at UFA after this season.

I don't know why that wouldn't be the case. He was a waiver claim, yes? So they'd get him with his entry level deal. As a 4th round pick in 2012, 2015 would seem to be his last year under that contract.

They have some dry powder if they want to keep him but they need to do it sooner rather than later, IMO. The closer he gets to FA, the more likely he is to want to test it. Every game he plays healthy will be one more hurdle he clears and if he plays well at all, the price will only go up.

Like SNR said, there's probably not a deal that makes sense for both sides here. If I'm him, I'd want a fair amount to give up free agency. And if I'm the Chiefs, I've not seen enough to give him that.

It's probably best to just let him play his ass off in his FA season and then see what the market holds. I just don't see a good point of intersection for the two parties here.
I'd offer him the same exact deal as Bailey: 5 years, $25 million.
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Old 09-03-2015, 02:29 PM   #5
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Jaye Howard is under contract through the 2016 season. He has two years left.
Howard was drafted in 2012, making 2015 his final contract year (4 years).

He'll be a free agent unless the Chiefs extend or re-sign him.

Personally, I think it needs to get done. Bailey, Poe & Howard for the next four years would be awesome.
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Old 09-03-2015, 02:35 PM   #6
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Howard was drafted in 2012, making 2015 his final contract year (4 years).

He'll be a free agent unless the Chiefs extend or re-sign him.

Personally, I think it needs to get done. Bailey, Poe & Howard for the next four years would be awesome.
Bailey got 4/$25 million that likely ends up being 3/$19 million when all is said and done. If you're Howard, you might take that, but given the relative lack of quality young veterans (especially on the interior line), you may also want to take your chances in the market.

Now, let's assume that Howard would take Bailey's deal - would you even offer it? I don't know that I would. I've liked what I've seen from him, but he's also a guy that was just a 4th rounder and he's had some pretty significant injuries in his past.

Honestly, with the money we already have/will have tied up in our front 7, I think Howard's a luxury item at that price. I don't think the Chiefs can offer him Bailey's deal, nor do I think he'd be eager to jump at it.
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Old 09-03-2015, 02:37 PM   #7
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Bailey got 4/$25 million that likely ends up being 3/$19 million when all is said and done. If you're Howard, you might take that, but given the relative lack of quality young veterans (especially on the interior line), you may also want to take your chances in the market.

Now, let's assume that Howard would take Bailey's deal - would you even offer it? I don't know that I would. I've liked what I've seen from him, but he's also a guy that was just a 4th rounder and he's had some pretty significant injuries in his past.

Honestly, with the money we already have/will have tied up in our front 7, I think Howard's a luxury item at that price. I don't think the Chiefs can offer him Bailey's deal, nor do I think he'd be eager to jump at it.
3 years, $15 mil would be nice. Or 4 years, $25 mil where we all know the last year won't happen.
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Old 09-03-2015, 07:48 AM   #8
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I'm the only left on the one Bray wagon as I have watched everyone else jump off it this offseason and I'm not letting any of you posers back on when he pans out.
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Old 09-03-2015, 07:49 AM   #9
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I'm the only left on the one Bray wagon as I have watched everyone else jump off it this offseason and I'm not letting any of you posers back on when he pans out.
Run over those haters sir.
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I'm the only left on the one Bray wagon as I have watched everyone else jump off it this offseason and I'm not letting any of you posers back on when he pans out.
I see it the same way. He's young still. QB's just don't grow on trees anymore and while possible Daniels stays, I don't think you can commit to that yet. I like the move. You never know in this league. We are not likely to draft high for awhile. This could be one way of moving up. It's worth the investment and the advantage of the time already invested in him. It's a smart organizational move at this time.
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This is most confusing. It must be that arm. That arm is dangerous and they are afraid of letting it fall into the wrong hands.
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Interesting indeed.. Yeah, that (and Murray) likely does spell the end of Daniel after this year.

Better to use this contract on a young, potentially good QB than to burn another late pick on the exact same thing.
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Interesting indeed.. Yeah, that (and Murray) likely does spell the end of Daniel after this year.

Better to use this contract on a young, potentially good QB than to burn another late pick on the exact same thing.
Agree, it would be smart to start targeting a 1st or 2nd round QB to compete with Murray in the next few years....
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People really thought DanielS was going to get an extension...?
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People really thought DanielS was going to get an extension...?
Is that really anymore silly than thinking that holding onto something that literally costs nothing, "speaks volumes" to how an owner feels about that something?

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