Patrick Mahomes - Page 3

**The Franchise** · 02-14-2017, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Damnit.

I have such high hopes he is there at 27.

Why do I do this to myself.

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chiefscafan · 02-15-2017, 11:21 AM

From reading the reviews by lance id say more Brett Favre than Cutler. Just know he could frustrate you but wouldn't it be great to have a QB that could take the team on his back and win games. Last time we had that was Green or Montana or Gannon.

Quesadilla Joe · 02-17-2017, 12:18 PM

Bucky Brooks had some things to say about Mahomes in the Move The Sticks notebook...

Spoiler!

QB prospect worthy of the hype? Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes has generated plenty of buzz in league circles, but he remains one of the most challenging evaluations in the 2017 draft class. The 6-foot-3, 230-pound gunslinger is unquestionably one of the most talented passers in the draft after passing for more than 11,000 yards and 93 touchdowns with only 29 interceptions in three seasons. Although the Red Raiders' Air Raid system certainly makes statistical stars out of every field general that steps behind the center, Mahomes' impressive combination of arm talent and athleticism gives him a legitimate shot of becoming a franchise quarterback at the next level.

"He definitely has the tools to be a No. 1," said an NFC scout. "He's big and athletic with big-time arm talent. I know his numbers are inflated but he can make all of the throws. I think the kid can play. ... I like him a lot!"

Despite the effusive praise being lavished on Mahomes, I believe evaluators face quite a dilemma when assessing his talent and potential. While there's no disputing his physical skills, there are certainly valid concerns regarding his ability to master a pro scheme after thriving in a system that allowed him to throw 40-plus times each week. Sure, the reps help the quarterback master the art of throwing the ball, but the simple reads and pick-and-stick throws associated with the scheme don't necessarily translate to the pro game. Thus, a team willing to take on Mahomes should consider him a developmental prospect and map out a long-term plan to help him grow into the position.

Considering those factors alone, I was a little surprised to hear my colleague Ian Rapoport tell the Setting The Edge podcast that several people have pegged Mahomes as their "favorite quarterback" in the draft. Now, I definitely understand how evaluators fall in love with prospects based on their natural talents and athleticism, but quarterbacks are evaluated differently due to the rigorous demands of the position, particularly from a mental standpoint. In the NFL, the quarterback is the de facto CEO of the team and he must possess the leadership skills, aptitude, and diagnostic skills to direct an offense between the lines.

Considering how the quarterback is viewed as the joystick for the offensive coordinator in the video-game-like Air Raid system, there are valid concerns regarding Mahomes' ability to assimilate into a pro-style scheme. Remember, there haven't been many NFL success stories in the Air Raid tree (Washington State, Texas Tech and Cal) despite the gaudy resumes of the field generals that have starred in the system. Sure, Jared Goff was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 draft, but the football world is still waiting to see if he eventually cuts the mustard as a franchise quarterback. That's why there is some hesitation in anointing Mahomes as one of the top prospects due to the repeated failures of his predecessors from the system.

After studying the tape of Mahomes' game, I believe his shoddy footwork and mechanics might trump the concerns about his ability to master concepts of an NFL scheme. Mahomes rarely takes a traditional drop in the pocket and his penchant for throwing balls while fading away or from a flat-foot platform leads to wayward throws down the field. In a league where accuracy is coveted at a premium, Mahomes' inconsistent mechanics could lead to a number of turnovers on tips and overthrows.

While watching a "sandlot" playmaker deliver a few splash plays on tape is tantalizing, it's hard for a play caller to work with an improvisational specialist at the position when attempting to build winning game plans. Offensive coordinators prefer to take a systematic approach akin to a chess match when picking apart defenses from the press box (or sidelines) and it's challenging to stick to the script when the QB1 is at his best throwing alley oops at the end of scrambles. Now, that statement isn't meant to discredit Mahomes' talent as a big, athletic gunslinger, but his style of play doesn't necessarily fit structured systems that expect the quarterback to hit his designated receivers on time after going through his progressions.

With that in mind, I'm still having a tough time envisioning Mahomes as a top-tier quarterback prospect despite his natural talents and potential. -- Bucky Brooks

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-browns-titans

staylor26 · 02-17-2017, 03:59 PM

Lol KnowMo is so scared of the possibility that the Chiefs draft a QB this year.

I've never seen him this active on DP.

Quesadilla Joe · 02-17-2017, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol KnowMo is so scared of the possibility that the Chiefs draft a QB this year.

I've never seen him this active on DP.

When you're picking at the bottom of each round every year, the lead up to the draft isn't nearly as interesting. I honestly don't care who KC drafts this year.

staylor26 · 02-17-2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

When you're picking at the bottom of each round every year the lead up to the draft isn't nearly as interesting. I honestly don't care who KC drafts this year.

Yea we really struggled to find talent at the end of the 1st the past couple of years

Might be an issue for Elway, but it hasn't been for Dorsey

ToxSocks · 02-17-2017, 04:36 PM

I'm not sold.

Before i read anything on the guy i watched his highlights to see if my opinion matches what scouts are saying.

My initial reaction was that i've never seen a highlight package so full of throws in which the QB's feet are parallel to the horizontal field markers. He torques his body quite a bit in his throws and that's good, but damn, his footwork is all over the place. It's not something you see in a successful NFL QB.

There were about 2-3 plays in there in which it looked like he immediately panicked after his 1st read wasn't open. He was dancing in a clean pocket. The kind of shit we grill Alex Smith for, only worse. That was what i found to be most alarming about it.

With that said, it WAS a highlight film i was watching. So despite what i just mentioned, he still made big plays.

His mechanics look piss ass imo. Year after year we see QB's with piss ass mechanics fizzle out in the NFL. But maybe you could argue that he has that "IT" factor.

Despite some of the worst mechanics i can remember, the guy made plays.

Quesadilla Joe · 02-20-2017, 07:29 AM

Pat Mahomes has a unique delivery. Steps in bucket with front foot, cross body throwing motion, no torso movement or weight transfer. pic.twitter.com/2qbKudoH8Y
— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) February 20, 2017

kccrow · 02-20-2017, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Pat Mahomes has a unique delivery. Steps in bucket with front foot, cross body throwing motion, no torso movement or weight transfer. pic.twitter.com/2qbKudoH8Y
— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) February 20, 2017

Terrible caption. What's dumb**** Jeremiah want him to do there? Open up his rib cage to a huge hit? Plus, most QB's don't torque fully, or even at all, on quick hitters. reeruned ass gif.

I've seen him use core torque plenty when he needs to drive the football or go deep. Hell, all you need to do to see it is watch one of his highlight videos, much less a full game.

The kid needs work on his footwork, but to bring into question everything the kid does is absolutely idiotic. This is a "scout" being about as dumb as one can be.

Quesadilla Joe · 02-20-2017, 06:10 PM

Someone else had a similar criticism and DJ responded to it...

@CPBoomer77 He does the same thing in a perfect pocket all the time. He is as raw as a 3 dollar steak.
— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) February 20, 2017

Go Royals · 02-20-2017, 06:52 PM

Totally agree with Jeremiah. Too raw. Other teams should stay away so he falls to us.

Mother****erJones · 02-20-2017, 08:47 PM

Mahomes has mechanical flaws. But those are correctable. That's why you bring in Romo and draft he or Kizer.

ToxSocks · 02-21-2017, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Mahomes has mechanical flaws. But those are correctable. That's why you bring in Romo and draft he or Kizer.

I completely disagree. Mechanics seem to be something that's rather instinctual.

Most plays will occur in under 3 seconds. In that time, the QB is reading a defense, reading his receivers and deciding where to go with the ball. When it comes to throwing the ball, he'll revert to his natural instincts.

I can't recall a time when someone has said, "Hey we can fix his mechanics" and have it actually work out.

He's been throwing that way all his life. It's muscle memory at this point.

RunKC · 02-21-2017, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I completely disagree. Mechanics seem to be something that's rather instinctual.

Most plays will occur in under 3 seconds. In that time, the QB is reading a defense, reading his receivers and deciding where to go with the ball. When it comes to throwing the ball, he'll revert to his natural instincts.

I can't recall a time when someone has said, "Hey we can fix his mechanics" and have it actually work out.

He's been throwing that way all his life. It's muscle memory at this point.

Aaron Rodgers.

**BossChief** · 02-21-2017, 09:37 PM

He's gonna throw a lot of picks in the NFL...but he will also make a lot of big plays.

With good coaching limiting the mistakes, the kid could be a serious player.

02-15-2017, 11:21 AM	#2
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02-17-2017, 12:18 PM	#3
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Bucky Brooks had some things to say about Mahomes in the Move The Sticks notebook... Spoiler! QB prospect worthy of the hype? Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes has generated plenty of buzz in league circles, but he remains one of the most challenging evaluations in the 2017 draft class. The 6-foot-3, 230-pound gunslinger is unquestionably one of the most talented passers in the draft after passing for more than 11,000 yards and 93 touchdowns with only 29 interceptions in three seasons. Although the Red Raiders' Air Raid system certainly makes statistical stars out of every field general that steps behind the center, Mahomes' impressive combination of arm talent and athleticism gives him a legitimate shot of becoming a franchise quarterback at the next level. "He definitely has the tools to be a No. 1," said an NFC scout. "He's big and athletic with big-time arm talent. I know his numbers are inflated but he can make all of the throws. I think the kid can play. ... I like him a lot!" Despite the effusive praise being lavished on Mahomes, I believe evaluators face quite a dilemma when assessing his talent and potential. While there's no disputing his physical skills, there are certainly valid concerns regarding his ability to master a pro scheme after thriving in a system that allowed him to throw 40-plus times each week. Sure, the reps help the quarterback master the art of throwing the ball, but the simple reads and pick-and-stick throws associated with the scheme don't necessarily translate to the pro game. Thus, a team willing to take on Mahomes should consider him a developmental prospect and map out a long-term plan to help him grow into the position. Considering those factors alone, I was a little surprised to hear my colleague Ian Rapoport tell the Setting The Edge podcast that several people have pegged Mahomes as their "favorite quarterback" in the draft. Now, I definitely understand how evaluators fall in love with prospects based on their natural talents and athleticism, but quarterbacks are evaluated differently due to the rigorous demands of the position, particularly from a mental standpoint. In the NFL, the quarterback is the de facto CEO of the team and he must possess the leadership skills, aptitude, and diagnostic skills to direct an offense between the lines. Considering how the quarterback is viewed as the joystick for the offensive coordinator in the video-game-like Air Raid system, there are valid concerns regarding Mahomes' ability to assimilate into a pro-style scheme. Remember, there haven't been many NFL success stories in the Air Raid tree (Washington State, Texas Tech and Cal) despite the gaudy resumes of the field generals that have starred in the system. Sure, Jared Goff was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 draft, but the football world is still waiting to see if he eventually cuts the mustard as a franchise quarterback. That's why there is some hesitation in anointing Mahomes as one of the top prospects due to the repeated failures of his predecessors from the system. After studying the tape of Mahomes' game, I believe his shoddy footwork and mechanics might trump the concerns about his ability to master concepts of an NFL scheme. Mahomes rarely takes a traditional drop in the pocket and his penchant for throwing balls while fading away or from a flat-foot platform leads to wayward throws down the field. In a league where accuracy is coveted at a premium, Mahomes' inconsistent mechanics could lead to a number of turnovers on tips and overthrows. While watching a "sandlot" playmaker deliver a few splash plays on tape is tantalizing, it's hard for a play caller to work with an improvisational specialist at the position when attempting to build winning game plans. Offensive coordinators prefer to take a systematic approach akin to a chess match when picking apart defenses from the press box (or sidelines) and it's challenging to stick to the script when the QB1 is at his best throwing alley oops at the end of scrambles. Now, that statement isn't meant to discredit Mahomes' talent as a big, athletic gunslinger, but his style of play doesn't necessarily fit structured systems that expect the quarterback to hit his designated receivers on time after going through his progressions. With that in mind, I'm still having a tough time envisioning Mahomes as a top-tier quarterback prospect despite his natural talents and potential. -- Bucky Brooks http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-browns-titans Last edited by Quesadilla Joe; 02-17-2017 at 04:00 PM..
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02-17-2017, 04:36 PM	#7
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2123063	I'm not sold. Before i read anything on the guy i watched his highlights to see if my opinion matches what scouts are saying. My initial reaction was that i've never seen a highlight package so full of throws in which the QB's feet are parallel to the horizontal field markers. He torques his body quite a bit in his throws and that's good, but damn, his footwork is all over the place. It's not something you see in a successful NFL QB. There were about 2-3 plays in there in which it looked like he immediately panicked after his 1st read wasn't open. He was dancing in a clean pocket. The kind of shit we grill Alex Smith for, only worse. That was what i found to be most alarming about it. With that said, it WAS a highlight film i was watching. So despite what i just mentioned, he still made big plays. His mechanics look piss ass imo. Year after year we see QB's with piss ass mechanics fizzle out in the NFL. But maybe you could argue that he has that "IT" factor. Despite some of the worst mechanics i can remember, the guy made plays. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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02-20-2017, 07:29 AM	#8
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Pat Mahomes has a unique delivery. Steps in bucket with front foot, cross body throwing motion, no torso movement or weight transfer. pic.twitter.com/2qbKudoH8Y — Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) February 20, 2017
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02-20-2017, 06:10 PM	#10
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Someone else had a similar criticism and DJ responded to it... @CPBoomer77 He does the same thing in a perfect pocket all the time. He is as raw as a 3 dollar steak. — Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) February 20, 2017
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02-20-2017, 06:52 PM	#11
Go Royals Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Texas Casino cash: $1748000	Totally agree with Jeremiah. Too raw. Other teams should stay away so he falls to us.
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02-21-2017, 09:37 PM	#15
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