Darrel Williams to IR; DB Alex Brown to 53; Dieter to PS

[pugsnotdrugs19]

https://twitter.com/chiefs/status/12...965531137?s=21

Darrel is our worst back IMO, so I’m good with this.

Signing Brown makes me think we aren’t gonna have Claiborne or Fenton Sunday...

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Damn straight. I advocated hard on CP for LeVeon Bell.

I got shit on all over for it, and maybe Bell was wrong -- but the theory is right.

This offense goes from really good but stoppable to clearly unstoppable with a Kareem Hunt franchise back that defenses have to respect. Kareem Hunt was the reason Alex Smith was able to beat the Patriots in Foxborough. And a lack of Hunt was the reason the Pats could outlast us in 2018.

Where at? I pounded the table for Bell this offense. His set of skills would be perfect for this offense

Of course any back will struggle running the ball though as long as Reiter and Wylie are your guys on the o-line

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I’m all for going and getting a stud back, but I’d prefer not to do it at a steep financial cost.

Draft one in the first couple days. And I don’t think it’ll happen at all, but I’d look into bringing Hunt back on a prove it deal for around $5M.

A) Hunt's not coming back. Ever.
B) He's an RFA and the Browns won't let him walk for nothing. He might get traded but....
C) See A.

As for drafting one - 2nd round looks like the sweet spot to me. A fair number of similarly situated RBs who could be available in the late 2nd. No surefire 1st rounders to my eyes (and a fair number of CBs/ILBs that fit that spot a little better).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What's this 'we' nonsense? You just scolded me for blaming climate change on Austin Reiter. I KNOW how ****ing terrible this IOL is. I wanted to draft a C in the first round, FFS.

It's completely unacceptable and needs to be torched. I like Seth Keysor but Id didn't need him telling me that our IOL has been woefully inadequate this season.

But the backs don't deserve a complete pass either. First off, Damien's been dinged up almost all year and I get the impression from Andy's vague comments that he doesn't think Damien's trying quite as hard either. That's a HUGE difference from the dude that took over for Hunt last year and was running his ass off. And of course Hunt was there for 2/3 of the season. And I said I was pretty sure Darrel sucked last year - he looks about the same this year. He's just not that good.

Additionally, I'd say that teams weren't completely sure if it was Hunt or Andy that made the running game work last season so they weren't willing to sell out even after Hunt left. And Damien was just good enough to keep that question in their mind all season.

Now that question is settled - this running game is ****ing atrocious and teams are keying on it. They weren't doing that last season because they just didn't have enough time to be sure.

There are pretty substantial differences, IMO. Cutting Hunt remains one of the dumber things this franchise has done in the last 5 years or so and it could hurt us. A lot.

Yeah, I remember it. I wasn't a Reiter fan in the offseason but was chastised for it, oh well.

I dont' think theres a difference maker at RB for sure. But I think with a better IOL, they'd be atleast passable. I'm just tired of having hammered ass inside.

It seems like every year we have an area that we have to go cheap or neglect a little and try to develop and it blows up. For once it would be nice if everything would just work out a little.

[FloridaMan88]

Wylie, Reiter and LDT are all lower round draft picks or in Wylie's case an undrafted journeyman.

I am not saying that you can't find quality players in the lower rounds of the draft/undrafted free agents, but building the entire interior of the offensive line exclusively with those type of players is being exposed.

Meanwhile the strongest part of the offensive line... the tackles are a first overall draft pick and a second round draft pick.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A) Hunt's not coming back. Ever.
B) He's an RFA and the Browns won't let him walk for nothing. He might get traded but....
C) See A.

As for drafting one - 2nd round looks like the sweet spot to me. A fair number of similarly situated RBs who could be available in the late 2nd. No surefire 1st rounders to my eyes (and a fair number of CBs/ILBs that fit that spot a little better).

Dobbs in 2 or Ettiene in 3. Get some fatties.

Problem solved.

Also, Andy needs to stop running into brick walls. This OL isn't gonna open holes inside when people know it's coming. Run it outside.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A) Hunt's not coming back. Ever.
B) He's an RFA and the Browns won't let him walk for nothing. He might get traded but....
C) See A.

As for drafting one - 2nd round looks like the sweet spot to me. A fair number of similarly situated RBs who could be available in the late 2nd. No surefire 1st rounders to my eyes (and a fair number of CBs/ILBs that fit that spot a little better).

Shit I didn’t even think about him being a RFA. I bet he wants out of that Cleveland committee though where he is their 2nd best back.

Anywho, with only 5 draft picks as of right now (we’ll see what happens with Jones), I’m hoping to see us trade back a time or two and hopefully end up with 3 or 4 picks in rounds 2-3. And there, yes, pick up a RB who will be cheap for years.

I think Veach and Andy are gonna look to use that R1 pick on a corner though probably. I’m not certain that they trade back, but it’s way too early to speculate either way.

[TribalElder]

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

I need this t-shirt. Double Extra Small, please and thank you.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Was it you or KC that said Andy won't ever overhaul his entire IOL over in the draft thread? There's a loud contingent of people over there who wouldn't mind turning over everything from G to G on that OL. I simply don't see how things can get worse there for trying. That group is as bad as you'll see.

Yes, the IOL sucks hard. I know that. Anyone with eyes knows that.

But the RBs suck as well. Also hard. There's nothing to prevent both things from being true.

Wiz needs to be starting. I don’t care if it’s at LG or at C.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

I worry for Dieters health

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Was it you or KC that said Andy won't ever overhaul his entire IOL over in the draft thread? There's a loud contingent of people over there who wouldn't mind turning over everything from G to G on that OL. I simply don't see how things can get worse there for trying. That group is as bad as you'll see.

Yes, the IOL sucks hard. I know that. Anyone with eyes knows that.

But the RBs suck as well. Also hard. There's nothing to prevent both things from being true.

Oh, I think Andy's pretty frustrated with the offensive line play. It precludes him from playing with his toys.

I think the argument was that Andy wouldn't overhaul his entire IOL in MIDSEASON, not that he wouldn't draft guys. I guess maybe he wouldn't go into a season with 3 rookies in the IOL. I'd be with him on that.

To be fair, there have been a TON of injuries, and that has really been a problem.

But-Reiter sucks. Wylie sucks. LDT is not a dumpster fire, but is barely a starting quality player.

Do the RB's suck? Well, they might. I just would argue that we really can't tell. No RB looks good behind shit offensive line play. Or at least very few and it takes a specific skillset to overcome that. I would agree that for the most part, the KC backfield does not possess that skillset.

As I said on another post, Jamaal Charles was one of the best backs I ever saw at overcoming shit line play. His speed and ability to hit top speed in one or two steps meant he could pick through a bunch of busted blocks and be off to the races.

Damien Williams looked very good taking over for Hunt last year. But then, the offensive line was playing much better last year.

Shady and Thompson both have some of that shifty elusiveness to be able to take a busted play with shit blocking and still make something happen. They're probably our best bet going forward this season.

Bell does NOT fit here in KC. His game is patiently waiting until the last possible moment for the blocking to open a hole.

This season, there usually isn't a hole.

Bell fits well with a power running scheme and big, mauling offensive linemen. He'd fit in Baltimore. Maybe Houston. Indy. Raiders.

He doesn't really fit here. It's just not what we do with the scheme, even when the offensive line is capable of executing.

We pull and trap constantly. It's just how Andy schemes his o-line, and that's not going to play to what Bell does.

Could we get better at RB? Oh, I'm sure. What I'm not sure about is whether we may well have the answer already on the roster, we just can't tell because the IOL is getting butt****ed on a regular basis.

Would Bell be an improvement? No, not really. I think some of you guys look at total stats and not the context. You can't just plug guys in with totally different skillsets and expect the same results.

The best chance we have given our offensive line issues is to play with speed, but more importantly QUICKNESS and SUDDENNESS. Guys who can change direction on a dime and cut back. That's the only way to make something out of a blown up blocking assignment. Make them pay for overpursuit.

[Mike in SW-MO]

Both Claiborne & Fenton nonparticipants on Wednesday is pretty much all you need to know about this roster move.

[nychief]

brady will come out of his shell and pick these guys apart. Edleman, Edleman, Edleman...

he's gonna grab 10 passes.

[Red Dawg]

I hate ever back we have. Thompson may prove to be the real deal but the rest suck ass. Bunch of nothing.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What's this 'we' nonsense? You just scolded me for blaming climate change on Austin Reiter. I KNOW how ****ing terrible this IOL is. I wanted to draft a C in the first round, FFS.

It's completely unacceptable and needs to be torched. I like Seth Keysor but Id didn't need him telling me that our IOL has been woefully inadequate this season.

But the backs don't deserve a complete pass either. First off, Damien's been dinged up almost all year and I get the impression from Andy's vague comments that he doesn't think Damien's trying quite as hard either. That's a HUGE difference from the dude that took over for Hunt last year and was running his ass off. And of course Hunt was there for 2/3 of the season. And I said I was pretty sure Darrel sucked last year - he looks about the same this year. He's just not that good.

Additionally, I'd say that teams weren't completely sure if it was Hunt or Andy that made the running game work last season so they weren't willing to sell out even after Hunt left. And Damien was just good enough to keep that question in their mind all season.

Now that question is settled - this running game is ****ing atrocious and teams are keying on it. They weren't doing that last season because they just didn't have enough time to be sure.

There are pretty substantial differences, IMO. Cutting Hunt remains one of the dumber things this franchise has done in the last 5 years or so and it could hurt us. A lot.

That was an extremely minority opinion when it happened and those of us that held it were killed for it. It's good to see it being embraced more widely now (not necessarily by you, as I don't recall where you stood, but by Chief Fan in general).