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NFL Next-Gen Stats: Chris Jones AFCCG
Cochise posted this in the Chris Jones is inactive thread. I thought it deserved its own thread.

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Jones only played in 28 snaps against Tennessee, but he was crucial to the success Kansas City found when rushing the passer. According to NFL Next Gen Stats, when Jones was on the field, the defense had seven pressures and three sacks. When Jones wasn’t on the field, the defense had just one pressure.
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Old 01-22-2020, 12:46 PM   #31
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First, the linebackers are FAR from "hot garbage"...that's just silly...

Second, Eleazer and Pitt are right - it's much easier to find good linebackers than it is to find another Chris Jones.
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First, the linebackers are FAR from "hot garbage"...that's just silly...

Second, Eleazer and Pitt are right - it's much easier to find good linebackers than it is to find another Chris Jones.
Look how we found Wilson.
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Old 01-22-2020, 12:52 PM   #33
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Look how we found Wilson.
Yep.

Plus, I'll be honest - in a couple of weeks, they're going to be Super Bowl champs and I won't give a crap what they do with the roster anymore. Every move will be a good one. LOL
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:00 PM   #34
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That’s exactly what we need from Jones.

Let Nnadi, Saunders, Pennel and Williams try to beat up that Ogre they have at RB.

Fire Jones out of a cannon at Tannehill.
It was a perfect game plan that should be similar to the one we’ll see against the 49ers.

As far as Jones after this season, it’s tough. We’re deep at DT if we extend Pennel (that move is crucial) and it’s possible a team offers us a Mack or Clark type deal for him...which might be the hard but smart choice. I wouldn’t trade him for anything less than a mid round first and second...but I’d move him to the NFC for that to a team like Washington.

Other than that I’d give him a nice 3 year extension so he can hit FA again under the new CBA and still young enough to get another big $ deal.
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Not resigning Jones would be monumentally reeruned. As reeruned as the posters that have this irrational hate for him. Hes the 2nd best D lineman in the league and only a hair behind Donald in terms of talent. If he wants Donald money then you give him Donald money. He still has time to get better and will actually be 2 years younger than Donald was when he got paid. So you get more of his prime years than the Rams will get with AD. That is enough to justify paying him as much as AD.
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First, the linebackers are FAR from "hot garbage"...that's just silly...

Second, Eleazer and Pitt are right - it's much easier to find good linebackers than it is to find another Chris Jones.
I suppose your contention is that it is Spags' defensive scheme that is at fault for being completely inept at covering ANYONE out of the backfield?

They literally cannot stop anything out of the backfield, even from week 10 where improvement started.

That Humphries kid...I kept screaming at my tv during the title game WATCH 10!!! GET SOMEONE ON 10!!!! Nope. Little bastard converted like 4 first downs for them out of the backfield, including that 4th n 2.

Sf's backs can do serious damage if they go unchecked.

I hope im wrong and it is scheme. Scheme can be adjusted and fixed. However, it is my belief that these lbs are trash, and by far the weakest link on d.
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A little Devils Advocate:

Not resigning HOUSTON would be monumentally reeruned. As reeruned as the posters that have this irrational hate for him. He's one of the best linebackers in the league and only a hair behind Von Miller in terms of talent. If he wants Von Miller money then you give him Von Miller money. He is in his prime!

This isn a perfect science. These decisions are hard. And like most of you, after seeing what he did on Sunday, I was yelling "pay that man" at my TV. That said, its not wrong to take your Super Bowl and then trade him. After Feb 2nd the goal becomes what's in the teams best interest to keep competing for championships. I get that he is only 25, but so was Houston. Sometimes guys in these positions don't stay dominant for their entire careers.
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Not resigning Jones would be monumentally reeruned. As reeruned as the posters that have this irrational hate for him. Hes the 2nd best D lineman in the league and only a hair behind Donald in terms of talent. If he wants Donald money then you give him Donald money. He still has time to get better and will actually be 2 years younger than Donald was when he got paid. So you get more of his prime years than the Rams will get with AD. That is enough to justify paying him as much as AD.
Heres the thing.

We paid guys before. Berry. Houston. Berry got hurt snd lost his spirit. Houston never sniffed that 20+ sack performance that got him paid.

Jones has an injury history. Its a big risk to sink that much money in a guy that may not be available when you really need him.

I think if we lost in the divisional to Houston and Jones didnt play, the narrative here would be a lot different. He wasnt availabe when we needed him, screw him, trade him, etc...

But because 15 pulled our asses out of the fire and we got another game, he was able to at least contribute to the effort.

I guess it all depends on his pricetag and how much Veach is willing to gamble on his health and/or drive should we win a title Feb 2.
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Heres the thing.

We paid guys before. Berry. Houston. Berry got hurt snd lost his spirit. Houston never sniffed that 20+ sack performance that got him paid.

Jones has an injury history. Its a big risk to sink that much money in a guy that may not be available when you really need him.

I think if we lost in the divisional to Houston and Jones didnt play, the narrative here would be a lot different. He wasnt availabe when we needed him, screw him, trade him, etc...

But because 15 pulled our asses out of the fire and we got another game, he was able to at least contribute to the effort.

I guess it all depends on his pricetag and how much Veach is willing to gamble on his health and/or drive should we win a title Feb 2.
An injury history? He's missed 4 games in his entire career. Who cares that we signed Houston and Berry and injuries plagued the rest of their careers? What does that have to do with Chris Jones. Its a bit idiotic to not sign someone bevause we had a couple busts. It's football and injuries happen. The Berry/Houston argument is such a dumb argument.
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I suppose your contention is that it is Spags' defensive scheme that is at fault for being completely inept at covering ANYONE out of the backfield?

They literally cannot stop anything out of the backfield, even from week 10 where improvement started.

That Humphries kid...I kept screaming at my tv during the title game WATCH 10!!! GET SOMEONE ON 10!!!! Nope. Little bastard converted like 4 first downs for them out of the backfield, including that 4th n 2.

Sf's backs can do serious damage if they go unchecked.

I hope im wrong and it is scheme. Scheme can be adjusted and fixed. However, it is my belief that these lbs are trash, and by far the weakest link on d.
Those little ****ers are tough for everyone to stop
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Look how we found Wilson.
Moreover, we are building a dynasty here.

We're not trying to offload Jones so we can spend a little more cap on free agent linebackers that other teams decided weren't worth the money. We aren't trying to upgrade this defense from bad to medicore anymore. Letting go of Jones to sign those type of players is a running scared, stopgap, loser franchise move.

When you have a draftee that turns into an elite player, you sign him long term. When you have draftees that don't work out, you replace them with veteran FA stopgaps if necessary, and then you replace those with more draftees.

A dynasty is always reloading through the draft. Keep Jones. Draft linebackers and corners.
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An injury history? He's missed 4 games in his entire career. Who cares that we signed Houston and Berry and injuries plagued the rest of their careers? What does that have to do with Chris Jones. Its a bit idiotic to not sign someone bevause we had a couple busts. It's football and injuries happen. The Berry/Houston argument is such a dumb argument.
There's a meme on CP that Jones is always missing big games. It's ludicrous.
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There's a meme on CP that Jones is always missing big games. It's ludicrous.
This place attracts some of the biggest ****ing reeruns. Im curious where all this hate comes from. Who started it? Probably an Alexsexual or that reerun Rabble, he has some reeruned takes.
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