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WarPaint · 09-05-2000, 09:27 AM

If you read the quote over at WHB, it indicates that Gunther quit in private - to his wife, and then changed his mind a few hours later. He's just as frustrated as we are.

Iron Chef · 09-05-2000, 09:36 AM

Clint,

Stock would clearly need AA and the 12 step program, if he had to beer earn money in the way you offered.

Much like as special teams coach he would "blow" any opportunity for success. With his track record as special teams coach, he would fumble balls at critical times, hold on any attempt to score, and always choke when needed most.

09-05-2000, 09:42 AM

Chiefnj - I would change your wording a bit. I would substitute "unstable" in for frustrated,and "the rest of the Chiefs mgmt" for we are.

Sentence would read, "He's just as unstable as the rest of the Chiefs mgmt".

09-05-2000, 09:53 AM

Perhaps Gun is more than "frustrated"... Maybe he's sick... like manic-depressive, bipolar, schizoid, or whatever...<P>

redbrian · 09-05-2000, 09:58 AM

Maybe he needs to darken the tint on his glasses.

I actually feel sorry for the guy. He's in WAAAAY over his head right now. IMO he should have remained a D coordinator.

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09-05-2000, 10:04 AM

Clint - he can have DC for all I care. It would be an upgrade to move Kurt out of his position anyway.

09-05-2000, 10:09 AM

Chi - that couldn't happen unfortunately. The players would not/could not respect him.

Frazod · 09-05-2000, 10:14 AM

If true, this is very sad. Makes you wonder how the team will respond to this and what direction it will go for the rest of the season. Anyone ever wonder if Gun has lost control of his coordinators? I feel this is CP's team since Marty left and that CP is in full control. That would frustrate any head coach. I like Gun and I like his vision for this team but is he able to implement it like he wants while Carl is in control. I'm not a CP basher, just making an observation. Makes you wonder.

Dan

redbrian · 09-05-2000, 10:18 AM

I think Carl and Gun are two peas in a pod. They share the same philosophies. The difference is this: Gunther fears he will lose his job; Carl knows he isn't going to.

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09-05-2000, 10:21 AM

HC - you are right.

It would have to be a complete removal from the system for Gun.

I am beginning to believe that Clint is right. Carl is going to have to face the music on his decision making. There were a lot of capable coaches in the system 2 years ago. The fact that he chose Gun vs. other candidates is something that will follow his resume. Gun is clearly out of his element, which is something the GM/President has to know before he hires a HC.

09-05-2000, 10:22 AM

I don't put a lot of stock into WHB, but if there is even some truth mixed into this story it is really, really sad...<BR>

09-05-2000, 10:26 AM

I don't know if it's true or not, but the 3 Stooges have that effect on people. I did see something in Gun Sunday that makes me believe the story. Late in the game , when the Chiefs were trying to mount a comeback, Grbac threw that pass to Alexander that he dropped in the endzone and followed with 2 incomplete passes to Lockett in the corner of the endzone in which Lockett never really had a chance. Gun just looked crushed - not mad but crushed. It was like he knows he made a mistake in keeping Raye and knows that the Chiefs are lost, especially on offense. This team has no direction and the RBBC more messed up now then ever before. I don't ever believe Gun anymore - much too much double talk for me. Anyway, he's a great DC, but not a HC. His heart is in the right place but not his head.

redbrian · 09-05-2000, 10:27 AM

Chitown,

The bad part is that Carl WON'T have to face the music because he's got his boss/friend/lover Lamar Hunt completely fooled, IMO. The job is his as long as he wants it. He'll probably inherit the freaking team when Lamar keels over. At 29 years old, I may not live long enough to see the end of the Peterson Era!! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/frown.gif[/img]

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Frazod · 09-05-2000, 10:33 AM

Yeah I believe that their CP and Gun's philosophies are similar. Just makes you wonder what happened to the aggresive downfield passing attack that Gun talked about. I believe that we have the receivers to do that. I even believe that Elvis can get the job done. I would like to see more creative pass patterns that actually get receivers open. The problem is the coordinator. Is he off just doing his own thing? Is that what Gun really wants? Makes you wonder when he opens the game with six straight running plays. If anyone should go, JR should go.

Dan

redbrian · 09-05-2000, 10:40 AM

Gun is at fault no matter what. If Raye is hurting this team, it's Gun's job to fix it YESTERDAY!! If this pathetic offense is Gun's doing, then Carl should deal with it immediately.

IMO the reason that nothing is getting done is because these idiots all agree that this philosophy "will win games, by God", and that they are going about doing things the right way.

The powers-that-be are all jerking each other off with one hand, and patting each other on the back with the other! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/frown.gif[/img]

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09-05-2000, 09:27 AM	#1
WarPaint Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10004900	If you read the quote over at WHB, it indicates that Gunther quit in private - to his wife, and then changed his mind a few hours later. He's just as frustrated as we are.
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09-05-2000, 09:36 AM	#2
Iron Chef Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $7304981	Clint, Stock would clearly need AA and the 12 step program, if he had to beer earn money in the way you offered. Much like as special teams coach he would "blow" any opportunity for success. With his track record as special teams coach, he would fumble balls at critical times, hold on any attempt to score, and always choke when needed most.
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09-05-2000, 09:42 AM	#3
Dr. Red Guest Casino cash: $	Chiefnj - I would change your wording a bit. I would substitute "unstable" in for frustrated,and "the rest of the Chiefs mgmt" for we are. Sentence would read, "He's just as unstable as the rest of the Chiefs mgmt".
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09-05-2000, 09:53 AM	#4
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	Perhaps Gun is more than "frustrated"... Maybe he's sick... like manic-depressive, bipolar, schizoid, or whatever...<P>
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09-05-2000, 09:58 AM	#5
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	Maybe he needs to darken the tint on his glasses. I actually feel sorry for the guy. He's in WAAAAY over his head right now. IMO he should have remained a D coordinator. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-05-2000, 10:04 AM	#6
Dr. Red Guest Casino cash: $	Clint - he can have DC for all I care. It would be an upgrade to move Kurt out of his position anyway.
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09-05-2000, 10:09 AM	#7
Fat Homer Guest Casino cash: $	Chi - that couldn't happen unfortunately. The players would not/could not respect him.
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09-05-2000, 10:14 AM	#8
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-576615	If true, this is very sad. Makes you wonder how the team will respond to this and what direction it will go for the rest of the season. Anyone ever wonder if Gun has lost control of his coordinators? I feel this is CP's team since Marty left and that CP is in full control. That would frustrate any head coach. I like Gun and I like his vision for this team but is he able to implement it like he wants while Carl is in control. I'm not a CP basher, just making an observation. Makes you wonder. Dan
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09-05-2000, 10:18 AM	#9
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	I think Carl and Gun are two peas in a pod. They share the same philosophies. The difference is this: Gunther fears he will lose his job; Carl knows he isn't going to. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-05-2000, 10:21 AM	#10
Dr. Red Guest Casino cash: $	HC - you are right. It would have to be a complete removal from the system for Gun. I am beginning to believe that Clint is right. Carl is going to have to face the music on his decision making. There were a lot of capable coaches in the system 2 years ago. The fact that he chose Gun vs. other candidates is something that will follow his resume. Gun is clearly out of his element, which is something the GM/President has to know before he hires a HC.
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09-05-2000, 10:22 AM	#11
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	I don't put a lot of stock into WHB, but if there is even some truth mixed into this story it is really, really sad...<BR>
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09-05-2000, 10:26 AM	#12
The Blessed Virgin Larry Guest Casino cash: $	I don't know if it's true or not, but the 3 Stooges have that effect on people. I did see something in Gun Sunday that makes me believe the story. Late in the game , when the Chiefs were trying to mount a comeback, Grbac threw that pass to Alexander that he dropped in the endzone and followed with 2 incomplete passes to Lockett in the corner of the endzone in which Lockett never really had a chance. Gun just looked crushed - not mad but crushed. It was like he knows he made a mistake in keeping Raye and knows that the Chiefs are lost, especially on offense. This team has no direction and the RBBC more messed up now then ever before. I don't ever believe Gun anymore - much too much double talk for me. Anyway, he's a great DC, but not a HC. His heart is in the right place but not his head.
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09-05-2000, 10:27 AM	#13
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	Chitown, The bad part is that Carl WON'T have to face the music because he's got his boss/friend/lover Lamar Hunt completely fooled, IMO. The job is his as long as he wants it. He'll probably inherit the freaking team when Lamar keels over. At 29 years old, I may not live long enough to see the end of the Peterson Era!! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/frown.gif[/img] ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-05-2000, 10:33 AM	#14
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-576615	Yeah I believe that their CP and Gun's philosophies are similar. Just makes you wonder what happened to the aggresive downfield passing attack that Gun talked about. I believe that we have the receivers to do that. I even believe that Elvis can get the job done. I would like to see more creative pass patterns that actually get receivers open. The problem is the coordinator. Is he off just doing his own thing? Is that what Gun really wants? Makes you wonder when he opens the game with six straight running plays. If anyone should go, JR should go. Dan
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09-05-2000, 10:40 AM	#15
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	Gun is at fault no matter what. If Raye is hurting this team, it's Gun's job to fix it YESTERDAY!! If this pathetic offense is Gun's doing, then Carl should deal with it immediately. IMO the reason that nothing is getting done is because these idiots all agree that this philosophy "will win games, by God", and that they are going about doing things the right way. The powers-that-be are all jerking each other off with one hand, and patting each other on the back with the other! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/frown.gif[/img] ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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