Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 30

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

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Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

Pablo · 01-14-2010, 04:39 PM

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Off the subject, but exactly WHO is that girl in Claythan's avatar? I find myself staring at it for at least 2-3 minutes at a time.

Tori Black.

Exceptionally good porn star.

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

"They've won rings in the past, therefore they can/will do it in KC" is hardly critical thinking.

That's hardly all that's been said.
I won't exactly gloss over the fact that they've had such success in the NFL.

They've also coordinated damn good offenses and defenses respectively.
Which is ultimately why they're qualified for these positions.

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However, the spotlight still shines on Pioli.

No scouts to freeze out, the band is back together.

There are no excuses in 2010.

I tend to agree.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Cassel will also be helped by the Weis hiring.

Sounds like critical thinking to me Mecca.

That's not critical thinking, that's an assumption.

Thinking critically about Cassel would be something like this:

Is Weis going to help Cassel actually become a BETTER quarterback, or is Weis just going to cover a sucking chest wound with a band-aid?

There's a difference between helping Cassel become a franchise QB, and masking his deficiencies and making him look good on the surface.

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's not critical thinking, that's an assumption.

Thinking critically about Cassel would be something like this:

Is Weis going to help Cassel actually become a BETTER quarterback, or is Weis just going to cover a sucking chest wound with a band-aid?

And since you know the answer to the question already Swami...
Kindly tell us all will ya?

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There's a difference between helping Cassel become a franchise QB, and masking his deficiencies and making him look good on the surface.

Neither of us knows, today, which will happen. Or if a third option might be possible. What we can observe is Weis' track record that suggests he's had success at helping a QB develop.

If we look at the hiring through THAT lens...there's nothing to argue.
It's a good solid decision. We'll know the material results later. To pretend to know them now or using them as a measuring stick to determine if this was the right decision (when they aren't available) is...well...dumb.

Saccopoo · 01-14-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's not critical thinking, that's an assumption.

Thinking critically about Cassel would be something like this:

Is Weis going to help Cassel actually become a BETTER quarterback, or is Weis just going to cover a sucking chest wound with a band-aid?

There's a difference between helping Cassel become a franchise QB, and masking his deficiencies and making him look good on the surface.

Or we could go into quantum theoretical analysis and state that if his deficiencies are masked rather than actually improved, and his on-field performance increases but no one from a casual observer perspective is able to differentiate between the two does it really matter either way?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

And since you know the answer to the question already Swami...
Kindly tell us all will ya?

Neither of us knows, today, which will happen. Or if a third option might be possible. What we can observe is Weis' track record that suggests he's had success at helping a QB develop.

If we look at the hiring through THAT lens...there's nothing to argue.
It's a good solid decision. We'll know the material results later. To pretend to know them now or using them as a measuring stick to determine if this was the right decision (when they aren't available) is...well...dumb.

I'm not claiming I know the answer, time will tell.

But there is certainly more to discuss regarding Cassel that the simple statement of "Weis will help him."

Because IMO, masking his deficiencies isn't helping him, nor the franchise.

Hopefully, CW can turn Cassel into something he's likely not. But I'm personally not counting on it.

If Charlie Weis can kiss this frog and turn it into a prince, he's gotta be considered one of the best QB coaches of our generation.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Or we could go into quantum theoretical analysis and state that if his deficiencies are masked rather than actually improved, and his on-field performance increases but no one from a casual observer perspective is able to differentiate between the two does it really matter either way?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound?

If his deficiencies are just masked, welcome to a game or two either side of .500 ball and a possible one-and-done in the playoffs.

Manning
Rivers
Palmer
Brady
Flacco
Sanchez

Brees
Favre
Romo
Warner
Rodgers
McNabb

All franchise QB's. (Palmer can be argued now, but definitely was a FQB before his knee was destroyed)

Without one, expect a repeat of the mid-late 90's.

Saccopoo · 01-14-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not claiming I know the answer, time will tell.

But there is certainly more to discuss regarding Cassel that the simple statement of "Weis will help him."

Because IMO, masking his deficiencies isn't helping him, nor the franchise.

Hopefully, CW can turn Cassel into something he's likely not. But I'm personally not counting on it.

If Charlie Weis can kiss this frog and turn it into a prince, he's gotta be considered one of the best QB coaches of our generation.

I'm wondering who can kiss those ****ing toads we have at wide receiver to make them catch a ball, or the primoridal dinosaur tadpole looking ****ers on the offensive line who couldn't seem to block for shit all season long. Or how about those mudpuppies at TE?

You've got a lot of contempt for Cassel in light of the massive deficiencies that he was surround by all season long. Maybe I'm a glass is half full type of guy when it comes to Cassel this past season, but I thought he did okay with what he had to work with in terms of talent around him, learning a new offensive system, etc.

SDChiefs · 01-14-2010, 05:02 PM

As far as the hires, I am stoked. I think they will work well with Pioli as to what players to draft and we will get some good players in here. I do think they are the best fit and probably best possible candidates out there. They are proven and I see that positively not negatively. Does this mean they WILL work and we have a SB in 2 years? Not by any stretch of the imagination. But its a step in the right direction. Plus it does show that Pioli is trying to win.

Last year was an abomination. Does that mean Pioli is doomed from here on in? No but he does have to make this draft MUCH better to ease the people who aren't quick to trust him. Such as I. Some are just skeptical as to whether or not last you was a sign of whats to come and rightfully so. Only time will tell.

SDChiefs · 01-14-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Or we could go into quantum theoretical analysis and state that if his deficiencies are masked rather than actually improved, and his on-field performance increases but no one from a casual observer perspective is able to differentiate between the two does it really matter either way?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound?

If a man is alone in the woods and no woman is around, is he still wrong?

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not claiming I know the answer, time will tell.

But there is certainly more to discuss regarding Cassel that the simple statement of "Weis will help him."

I never said there was.
I tend to observe as many different factors as possible.
It's funny most of his detractors tend to narrow the criteria.

They have no interest in making a connection between the pieces around him and his on-field performance. Or with his rookie HC being overburdened with three different hats he had no business wearing all at once.

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Because IMO, masking his deficiencies isn't helping him, nor the franchise.

I wouldn't characterize Weis structuring an offense that plays to his strengths as "masking his deficiencies".

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Hopefully, CW can turn Cassel into something he's likely not. But I'm personally not counting on it.

If Charlie Weis can kiss this frog and turn it into a prince, he's gotta be considered one of the best QB coaches of our generation.

I don't expect Cassel to become a great thrower of the deep ball. Nor do I think it's realistic to expect Weis to make such a constructive difference in his mechanics to bring that about.

Saccopoo · 01-14-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If his deficiencies are just masked, welcome to a game or two either side of .500 ball and a possible one-and-done in the playoffs.

Manning
Rivers
Palmer
Brady
Flacco
Sanchez

Brees
Favre
Romo
Warner
Rodgers
McNabb

All franchise QB's. (Palmer can be argued now, but definitely was a FQB before his knee was destroyed)

Without one, expect a repeat of the mid-late 90's.

Warner was all but toast in NY, went to Arizona met up with some quality receivers and now he's back in as a HOF lock. Manning was 1-15 his first season, but he's had the same OC and line and receivers around him for years now. Rivers has some of the best receivers and backs in the league around him. You put that bitchy, moody dude on a team with less talent and I'm betting he's a Ryan Leaf level meltdown.

What I'm saying is that you have to get Cassel some immediate help before you throw him to the wolves or condemn him to the scrap pile. If he gets some help and then sucks, then so be it, but he's got to get some help and quick or he's the next David Carr.

It's like Bulger at St. Louis. The guy has been beaten down so bad for the past two seasons that he doesn't give a rats ass if he hurls it into quadruple coverage as long as it keeps him from getting hammered again.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm wondering who can kiss those ****ing toads we have at wide receiver to make them catch a ball, or the primoridal dinosaur tadpole looking ****ers on the offensive line who couldn't seem to block for shit all season long. Or how about those mudpuppies at TE?

You can keep blaming everyone but Cassel, or you can look at last year, when he was surrounded by the best offense of this decade.

Approximately 3500 yards, 20 TD's / 11INT's and a QB rating under 90.

With 57% of his passing yardage coming from YAC - the next closest was 52% - and for comparison's sake, the Top 5 passers (yardage) last year were 47%, 47%, 41% and 40%.

So even under near perfect conditions, he still doesn't rate as a franchise QB.

Also, Cassel is what, 28 years old?

How long do you think it would take to accumulate the amount of offensive talent he played with in NE?

Probably 5 years, maybe more, because you'll lose players to FA, retirement, etc.

I'd absolutely love to be proven wrong on this, for the guy to become a legit franchise QB and win a SB in KC. Nothing could make me happier.

But personally, I don't think the kid has the talent, nor the leadership skills to even win a playoff game.

And unlike others here, I've been consistent on this stance since before we traded for him.

LOCOChief · 01-14-2010, 05:19 PM

I don't have a problem with Whitlock pointing out that the safe and "politically savvy" hire would be one that's not a potential replacement, that's what chicken shits do.

To me as a manager and employer that philosophy sticks out like a sore thumb as the self serving, anti team approach that it is.

The funny thing is JW thinks that Haley hiring his replacement is an oversight because he's just not that smart.

Well Jason, he is one of the youngest head football coach's in the league despite never having played the game and I'd bet he's twice as cerebral as a half ass, no discipline fat ass columnist for a second rate rag.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If his deficiencies are just masked, welcome to a game or two either side of .500 ball and a possible one-and-done in the playoffs.

Manning
Rivers
Palmer
Brady
Flacco
Sanchez

Brees
Favre
Romo
Warner
Rodgers
McNabb

All franchise QB's. (Palmer can be argued now, but definitely was a FQB before his knee was destroyed)

Without one, expect a repeat of the mid-late 90's.

are you calling sanchez a franchise qb as of right now? seriously?

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $960478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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SDChiefs Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Americas Finest City Casino cash: $7990778	As far as the hires, I am stoked. I think they will work well with Pioli as to what players to draft and we will get some good players in here. I do think they are the best fit and probably best possible candidates out there. They are proven and I see that positively not negatively. Does this mean they WILL work and we have a SB in 2 years? Not by any stretch of the imagination. But its a step in the right direction. Plus it does show that Pioli is trying to win. Last year was an abomination. Does that mean Pioli is doomed from here on in? No but he does have to make this draft MUCH better to ease the people who aren't quick to trust him. Such as I. Some are just skeptical as to whether or not last you was a sign of whats to come and rightfully so. Only time will tell.
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LOCOChief True Chiefs Fan Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bull Bay Casino cash: $6605791	I don't have a problem with Whitlock pointing out that the safe and "politically savvy" hire would be one that's not a potential replacement, that's what chicken shits do. To me as a manager and employer that philosophy sticks out like a sore thumb as the self serving, anti team approach that it is. The funny thing is JW thinks that Haley hiring his replacement is an oversight because he's just not that smart. Well Jason, he is one of the youngest head football coach's in the league despite never having played the game and I'd bet he's twice as cerebral as a half ass, no discipline fat ass columnist for a second rate rag.
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