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Old 01-10-2011, 10:47 AM  
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Fescoe: Haley took playcalling away from Weis in 2nd Half
Just got a 610 text that says Fescoe is reporting that Haley took playcalling away from Weis in the 2nd half yesterday. That could explain why the playcalling was so horrific in the 2nd half, and if true I think Haley should be in some hot water. That was some of the worst playcalling I have ever seen in my entire life.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:26 PM   #436
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LOL, remember when they faked a punt with Brodie Croyle?
4th and 7 from our own 28.

In an 8 point game.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:29 PM   #437
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Come on, Dude. You know how "fraternities" work. Things are shared "behind closed doors" that aren't shared to the public at large.

Let's put it this way: If I'm "hearing things" from people that I know that eventually are proven to be true, why is it unbelievable that an NFL lifer and broadcaster like Rich Gannon wouldn't hear the same things and far more information and detail?

Hell, my "connections" to the NFL world have to be dwarfed by those of a guy like Gannon.
Think about it this way for just a minute, my friend.

Only a year or so ago, people were up in arms because Haley had "lost" the team due to his hard-ass ways. Let's see ... oh, yeah ... DJ was going to leave the team and maybe the game, Charles didn't want to play for Haley, neither did Bowe, Pioli and Haley weren't seeing eye-to-eye, etc., etc.

See a pattern, here?

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Old 01-11-2011, 05:34 PM   #438
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Think about it this way for just a minute, my friend.

Only a year or so ago, people were up in arms because Haley had "lost" the team due to his hard-ass ways. Let's see ... oh, yeah ... DJ was going to leave the team and maybe the game, Charles didn't want to play for Haley, neither did Bowe, Pioli and Haley weren't seeing eye-to-eye, etc., etc.

See a pattern, here?

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While I appreciate your example, I can counter it: Haley & Gailey weren't getting along. Haley fired Gailey one week before the season started.

One year later, Haley & Weis weren't getting along. Weis wanted out of his contract to coach elsewhere in the NFL, Pioli wouldn't allow it so Weis went to the University of Florida, where he'll stay until his contract with the Chiefs expires.

I'm not claiming that Todd Haley is an insufferable jerk but it's quite clear that he has problems with other offensive minds and opinions.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:34 PM   #439
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these guys weren't strangers to each other...if Weis had any kind of problem with Haley, he should've never taken the job.

...he doesn't want to be here. so, he's gone. that's a good thing.
This. I'm sure Weis is a man of above average intelligence. He had worked with Haley before. Its not like he didnt know what he was getting into.

Personally, I'm not surprised he left.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:36 PM   #440
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Think about it this way for just a minute, my friend.

Only a year or so ago, people were up in arms because Haley had "lost" the team due to his hard-ass ways. Let's see ... oh, yeah ... DJ was going to leave the team and maybe the game, Charles didn't want to play for Haley, neither did Bowe, Pioli and Haley weren't seeing eye-to-eye, etc., etc.

See a pattern, here?

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Old 01-11-2011, 05:39 PM   #441
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4th and 7 from our own 28.

In an 8 point game.
Was it the 28 or the 27???? WHO has forgotten now??!!!!111
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:44 PM   #442
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Was it the 28 or the 27???? WHO has forgotten now??!!!!111
28.

I looked it up.

And while doing so, I was reminded of the most comical play of the Matt Cassel era:

Two plays before the punt, Cassel wings a ball OOB, with no WR in the area.

Flag on the play.

Wait, the officials are conferencing.

Referee picks up the flag, opens his mic and says:

"There is no intentional grounding on the play, as the QB was not under pressure.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:47 PM   #443
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While I appreciate your example, I can counter it: Haley & Gailey weren't getting along. Haley fired Gailey one week before the season started.

One year later, Haley & Weis weren't getting along. Weis wanted out of his contract to coach elsewhere in the NFL, Pioli wouldn't allow it so Weis went to the University of Florida, where he'll stay until his contract with the Chiefs expires.

I'm not claiming that Todd Haley is an insufferable jerk but it's quite clear that he has problems with other offensive minds and opinions.
You have one. I left out about 20.

But you raise an even better point. Let's say, for the sake of gentlemanly argument, that Haley is, in fact, an insufferable jerk. So what? Some of the greatest NFL HCs in the history of the universe were hard-ass mofos with zero tolerance for mistakes and total belief in themselves and the value of hard work.

While guys like Whitlock and Wright and Fescue (or whatever his name is) wring their hands and rend their clothing and cry out with horror and anguish that Haley is a big meanie, we just won 10 games, the division, and got ourselves a home playoff game in the bargain.

Looking at this, more or less, big-picture-wise, I would gladly trade 1000 behind-the-scene Haley rants (assuming they occur), 25 run-off OCs, and 12 draft picks for 1 Lombardi.

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Old 01-11-2011, 05:47 PM   #444
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28.

I looked it up.

And while doing so, I was reminded of the most comical play of the Matt Cassel era:

Two plays before the punt, Cassel wings a ball OOB, with no WR in the area.

Flag on the play.

Wait, the officials are conferencing.

Referee picks up the flag, opens his mic and says:

"There is no intentional grounding on the play, as the QB was not under pressure.



That's actually pretty good.

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Old 01-11-2011, 05:48 PM   #445
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This. I'm sure Weis is a man of above average intelligence. He had worked with Haley before. Its not like he didnt know what he was getting into.

Personally, I'm not surprised he left.
Well, I wouldn't be so sure about that, D.

People change. Working successfully with someone 15 years ago at a lower pay grade and responsibilities and suddenly reuniting doesn't insure success.

I have no doubt that both men went into it with an open mind and with the idea of succeeding, but it didn't work out.

I'm not surprised that Haley left but I also do not believe that Weis left because Haley is an insufferable jerk. I think they've both grown and changed as people and at this point in time, they don't need each other to succeed.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:50 PM   #446
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I really can't believe we're still talking about coaching.

I rarely bitch about Haley because Pioli's job isn't done yet. When Pioli has built one of the best rosters in the NFL, then I'll start to look at coaching shortcomings. As of right now, the only reason we made the playoffs was because Haley and staff coached up Carl Peterson's leftovers. They did a wonderful job. But they lack playmakers...and it's Pioli's job to provide them.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:51 PM   #447
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You have one. I left out about 20.

But you raise an even better point. Let's say, for the sake of gentlemanly argument, that Haley is, in fact, an insufferable jerk. So what? Some of the greatest NFL HCs in the history of the universe were hard-ass mofos with zero tolerance for mistakes and total belief in themselves and the value of hard work.

While guys like Whitlock and Wright and Fescue (or whatever his name is) wring their hands and rend their clothing and cry out with horror and anguish that Haley is a big meanie, we just won 10 games, the division, and got ourselves a home playoff game in the bargain.

Looking at this, more or less, big-picture-wise, I would gladly trade 1000 behind-the-scene Haley rants (assuming they occur), 25 run-off OCs, and 12 draft picks for 1 Lombardi.

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I just posted in response to another post but I don't think that Weis left because Haley is an insufferable jerk. I think Weis left because he and Haley found out that they don't need each other to succeed.

Unfortunately, we won't know how this story really ends until the end of the 2011 season. If the Chiefs are successful next season offensively and the new offensive coordinator is retained for 2012, we'll have a much better idea of what happened at the end of the 2010 season.

If the opposite is true, then yikes. This forum will implode upon itself.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:54 PM   #448
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Get Romeo Crennel a rusher opposite of Tamba and a NT and see what he can do.

The guy is a fantastic coach.
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I would like to encourage all those who think Haley is seriously considering not replacing Weis with another OC to actually listen to the presser (I finally had time to do so). It's on the Chiefs site and the question occurs at minute 26.

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