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Old 04-27-2011, 09:41 AM  
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Beat writer Bob Gretz suggests the Chiefs will, in fact, move Dexter McCluster to running back full time.

Coach Todd Haley hinted in February that McCluster would be more of a third-down back than slot receiver. Gretz suggests McCluster could also be used in a "flash-dash duo" with Jamaal Charles. We still have a hard time envisioning enough weekly touches for McCluster to
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:00 AM   #451
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which is what Haley loves to use

Its what he and Kurt Warner used to argue about and then after they made the superbowl Kurt did an interview where he said those plays where what gave them the advantage in the playoffs and the superbowl.

Haley will find unconventional ways to utilize DMC the more he learns how to do so.
which would be awesome if there weren't freakly athletic linebackers on every team.
a lot of arizonas trick plays were passes and shit
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:03 AM   #452
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Jordy Nelson was taken with the exact same pick in the '08 draft.

Rookie year - 33 rec, 366 yards, 2 TD's
2nd year - 22 rec, 320 yards, 2 TD's

You guys would've been calling Jordy a wasted pick as well. It takes more than a year to justify draft position.
Jordy Nelson was not moved to third-string RB.

McCluster's development as a WR just had it's nuts cut off. He's not developing into a player. He's being put into a neat little 30-catch-a-year gimmick box.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:09 AM   #453
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Jordy Nelson was not moved to third-string RB.

McCluster's development as a WR just had it's nuts cut off. He's not developing into a player. He's being put into a neat little 30-catch-a-year gimmick box.
Great logic considering there nothing that actually says DMC has been moved.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:12 AM   #454
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Great logic considering there nothing that actually says DMC has been moved.
If Dexter has not been moved I will be patient with his development as a wide receiver.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:33 AM   #455
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Jordy Nelson was not moved to third-string RB.

McCluster's development as a WR just had it's nuts cut off. He's not developing into a player. He's being put into a neat little 30-catch-a-year gimmick box.
The point is...it's reeruned to come to any type of conclusion on a player after his first year in the business.

You probably thought Dorsey was a bust after his rookie season.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:38 AM   #456
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Jordy Nelson was taken with the exact same pick in the '08 draft.

Rookie year - 33 rec, 366 yards, 2 TD's
2nd year - 22 rec, 320 yards, 2 TD's

You guys would've been calling Jordy a wasted pick as well. It takes more than a year to justify draft position.
Nelson is a WR who has always been a WR and is still a WR


he's not a backup RB in the duo named "One really good RB and One midget dude without a position"


but keep making shit up
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:41 AM   #457
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The point is...it's reeruned to come to any type of conclusion on a player after his first year in the business.

You probably thought Dorsey was a bust after his rookie season.
Well if the story is true.... that means the Chiefs themselves would be coming to that conclusion after his first year... not us.

We're just commenting on the potential impact of this alleged decision.
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Nelson is a WR who has always been a WR and is still a WR


he's not a backup RB in the duo named "One really good RB and One midget dude without a position"


but keep making shit up
Hmmm, wasn't Dante Hall in the exact same boat?
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Hmmm, wasn't Dante Hall in the exact same boat?
Dante Hall was successful the first year he stepped on an NFL football field. He was an outstanding kick returner and contributed as a 4th receiver. He was converted to WR and was never, ever moved back to RB.
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Hmmm, wasn't Dante Hall in the exact same boat?
in the sense that he had no position and never became a great WR? yes

in the sense that he was the #36 pick in the draft? no

in the sense that he was a truly great kick returner? no
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:16 AM   #461
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Dante Hall was successful the first year he stepped on an NFL football field. He was an outstanding kick returner and contributed as a 4th receiver. He was converted to WR and was never, ever moved back to RB.
I get that 11 years was a long time ago, so maybe the memory fades, but Dante Hall wasn't much as a rookie. it took 3 years for him to become the X-Factor, and a lot of people were surprised by that. Because early on, he had a bullseye for his blocker's backsides. And he was awful on the field with the offense, at least when we got to see him there...during the preseason. He was behind Mike Cloud on the depth chart, and eventually moved to WR - years later - because he never made it at RB.

Don't want to take my word for it? That's fine. Here's some rookie numbers:

KR: 17 returns for 358 yards (21.1), long of 36
PR: 6 returns for 37 yards (6.2), long of 22
0 rushes. 0 receptions.

Just for shits and giggles, McCluster's rookie numbers:

KR: 26 returns for 527 yards (20.3) long of 36
PR: 13 returns for 202 yards (15.5) long of 94, 1 TD
21 rec for 209 yards (10.0), long of 31T, 1 TD
18 rushes for 71 yards (3.9), long of 20

If anything, Hall should be the poster child for how McCluster could improve, because everything you're saying about McCluster now was said about Hall by people in 2000 and 2001 (although he began to show things as a returner that year, as I recall): at that time he was not elusive, he had very poor vision, hell, he didn't even look fast. And he couldn't do anything on offense (he had a total of 2 rushes in his first two years, and 0 receptions).
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I wasn't talking about Dante Hall's rookie year. I was talking about the first year he actually played on offense, which was 2002. That was the first time he really got on a field. He wasn't getting snaps in 00 and 01.

Dante Hall is not the poster child because McCluster showed almost no ability as a return man or receiver last year. Returners don't magically develop over time. They're usually as good as they'll ever be, or very close to it, the first time they step on a field. Devin Hester took back 5 kicks for scores as a rookie.
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Ideally off of screen sets, i'm thinking he's best once the blocks develop - downfield.

But i'm skeptical - I don't see much indicating he's a good back.

Hopefully he'll run a few back - but IDE know anymore, seems like he hit the 'luckys' a few too many times, toward the end of the year, or maybe I meant 'phillys'
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