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Old 07-10-2015, 11:38 PM   #1
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Rivers seems to do more with less most years.
Yeah, I feel sorry for Rivers having to deal with future Hall of Fame teammates like LaDanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Poor guy.
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Old 07-11-2015, 07:27 AM   #2
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Yeah, I feel sorry for Rivers having to deal with future Hall of Fame teammates like LaDanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Poor guy.
If he had retired after 2008 you would have a point.
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Old 07-11-2015, 07:30 AM   #3
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Yeah, I feel sorry for Rivers having to deal with future Hall of Fame teammates like LaDanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Poor guy.
If he retired after 2008 you would have a point.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:16 AM   #4
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Yeah, I feel sorry for Rivers having to deal with future Hall of Fame teammates like LaDanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Poor guy.
LT and Gates? I remember those guys. Gates retiring after this year?
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Old 07-10-2015, 10:58 PM   #5
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If we had Rivers right now, this is a championship team.

I'm hoping Alex can play the best ball of his life, but Rivers is a damn beast. Extremely underrated player.
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Old 07-10-2015, 11:39 PM   #6
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If we had Rivers right now, this is a championship team.

I'm hoping Alex can play the best ball of his life, but Rivers is a damn beast. Extremely underrated player.
Rivers is the most overrated QB in this forum that I've ever seen, even more so than Flacco or Wilson.
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Old 07-10-2015, 11:56 PM   #7
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Despite all of the received handjobs and bluster, you have yet to give that list...

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Name the true franchise QBs that have overcome a bottom 10 OL and WR corps, please.
We'll continue on until you admit that you have... what?

1. Brady
2. ???

your move, chump.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:22 AM   #8
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Despite all of the received handjobs and bluster, you have yet to give that list...



We'll continue on until you admit that you have... what?

1. Brady
2. ???

your move, chump.
I don't know when this all became about winning the Super Bowl, and I'm not going to argue with you about precisely ranked groups since you haven't really made that possible, but I can think of 3 QBs who won the SB with shitty OL and WR combos since the turn of the century:

Brady
Roethisberger
Dilfer


Other SB winning QBs had either shitty WR corps or OLs, but not both.

Eli
Rodgers
Wilson

That's 6 of the 10 SB winning QBs since the turn of the century, with Peyton, Brees, Flacco, and Johnson not getting the nod, and Colts fans might argue about that 2006 team.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:30 AM   #9
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I don't know when this all became about winning the Super Bowl, and I'm not going to argue with you about precisely ranked groups since you haven't really made that possible, but I can think of 3 QBs who won the SB with shitty OL and WR combos since the turn of the century:

Brady
Roethisberger
Dilfer


Other SB winning QBs had either shitty WR corps or OLs, but not both.

Eli
Rodgers
Wilson

That's 6 of the 10 SB winning QBs since the turn of the century, with Peyton, Brees, Flacco, and Johnson not getting the nod, and Colts fans might argue about that 2006 team.
THANK YOU

I was never asking for what couldn't be possible here.

What would really help though... the THREE examples you give... what yr are you speaking of.. and any details you might care to add.. thanks.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:54 AM   #10
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I was never asking for what couldn't be possible here.

What would really help though... the THREE examples you give... what yr are you speaking of.. and any details you might care to add.. thanks.
Sure. I'd look at them like this:


Dilfer only got there once, with the defensive juggernaut Ravens (2000).

Roethlisberger's 2005 squad had Ward lead the WRs with 69 catches and Randle El second with 35.

Brady's 001 Patriots had Troy Brown with over 100 catches and David Patten with 51. Why were their numbers that high? The next highest WR/TE was a 3 way tie at 14 catches, and one of them was Terry Glenn, who was suspended by the team for the season, won an appeal, but only played 4 games before going back on the shelf due to injury. Brady was effectively using Troy Brown and David Patten as his entire WR/TE corps. As a side note, the Patriots were also a lousy 24th in the NFL in rushing yards per attempt that season, averaging just 3.8 yards per carry.

I might argue that Brady's WR in 2014 were also that kind of shitty, but LaFell played much better than he had in Carolina, and I can't be sure that was all the result of Brady, so I think the argument can at least be countered to some degree.
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Old 07-11-2015, 09:19 AM   #11
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Despite all of the received handjobs and bluster, you have yet to give that list...



We'll continue on until you admit that you have... what?

1. Brady
2. ???

your move, chump.
Why take time to go over anything with you? You end up saying the same thing over and over.


Those guys are franchise qbs so they aren't relevant because Alex smith isn't. (Your words not mine)
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:00 AM   #12
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WTF does it even matter if elite QBs can or can't overcome a terrible OL/WRs/etc? Has the argument ever been that Alex Smith should have gone to or won a SB in the past two seasons? Of course not.
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WTF does it even matter if elite QBs can or can't overcome a terrible OL/WRs/etc? Has the argument ever been that Alex Smith should have gone to or won a SB in the past two seasons? Of course not.
LOL, go back to sleep. You must have missed the last 2 years of Chiefs football, at the very least.

.. and the last 4 years of Alex football.

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... and in what world is this not a question worth exploring? LOL
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:14 AM   #14
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LOL, go back to sleep. You must have missed the last 2 years of Chiefs football, at the very least.

.. and the last 4 years of Alex football.



... and in what world is this not a question worth exploring? LOL
I take it you're trying to be dense? Trying to be stupid on purpose? Well, congrats, I guess.
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Old 07-11-2015, 11:23 AM   #15
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I take it you're trying to be dense? Trying to be stupid on purpose? Well, congrats, I guess.
Look, I get as tired as anyone else over the petty battles that occur over AS11.

So I will just say, my point was :

very few QBs that I can think of over history have excelled while playing behind bottom level OLs while throwing to bottom level WRs.

in case I was mistaken on this, I asked people here.

Smith is not a remarkable QB, except to say that he is mentally tough. He won't go down in history as an all that memorable player..

but knowing (?) that there are very few QBs that can excel while playing behind bottom level OLs while throwing to bottom level WRs...

why were people that don't think much of him in the first place.. expecting him to have excelled with such deficiencies at OL and WR?


I'm done with it. Not in a pussified "I'm leaving forever" cry as OTWP and Pawnmower has done, lol... I know, shucks.
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