Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 34

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

**dirk digler** · 01-04-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

because you're an idiot...

you are the same type of fan that thinks Tom Brady is clutch.

I challenge all of you to rewatch the Cowboys/Giants game in the playoffs the year the Giants won the Super Bowl...and then tell me Tony Romo is a choker...

He played a hell of a game and was the only reason they had a chance to win...the Cowboys let HIM down...

Romo played a thousand times better against those same Giants as the 18-0 Tom Brady did in the Super Bowl...and it wasn't even close.

Patrick Crayton lost that game for the Cowboys...the defense let Eli score a TD at the end of the 1st half with 35 seconds to make it 14-7 rather than 14-0...

but Tony Romo is a choker for playing a hell of a game against that pass rush...against the team that beat the 18-0 super Pats...

Meh. I have been called worse. And yes Tom Brady is hell of alot better QB than Romo ever will be.

Anyway we have had this discussion before Hootie so until Romo proves it in the playoffs like Peyton did he will be considered a choker. He is playing pretty good right now so he might prove me wrong this year. I guess we will see.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Here we go again with Hootie's delusions...

I was in the thread first, ****stick. I'm not following anyone. I'm simply agreeing with his post.

You wouldn't know anything about that, considering people rarely, if ever agree with you.

well maybe they should start...

I have a pretty good track record on this site...

Unless you want to cherrypick posts from a game where I was with the 100% majority on this site...

because people really thought Thigpen deserved a roster spot after the Atlanta game last year

Lets see...I'm up by about 25K in gambling challenge...I was a co-winner in the midseason playoff contest where I picked against Denver to make the playoffs AND picked the entire NFC correct 1-6...

I told mecca Chris Johnson was the best back in the NFL...LAST YEAR...

I am on record saying Tony Romo is a future hall of famer and will win a Super Bowl...

have said Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time for years and years and years...

and am on record talking about how vastly overrated Carson Palmer is...for the last three years...

but I'm just an idiot that knows nothing about anything etc. etc. etc.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I never said he was the worst in the NFL...ever.

Again, keep making shit up, because you can't deal with reality.

"Tony Romo is the one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. If Dallas had a competent QB last week, they would have put up another 10-14 points. Dude is flat out taint."

My bad...you said he was ONE of the worst...

Sorry dude.

I assumed "flat out taint" meant you thought he was pretty much camp fodder.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

well maybe they should start...

I have a pretty good track record on this site...

Unless you want to cherrypick posts from a game where I was with the 100% majority on this site...

because people really thought Thigpen deserved a roster spot after the Atlanta game last year

Lets see...I'm up by about 25K in gambling challenge...I was a co-winner in the midseason playoff contest where I picked against Denver to make the playoffs AND picked the entire NFC correct 1-6...

I told mecca Chris Johnson was the best back in the NFL...LAST YEAR...

I am on record saying Tony Romo is a future hall of famer and will win a Super Bowl...

have said Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time for years and years and years...

and am on record talking about how vastly overrated Carson Palmer is...for the last three years...

but I'm just an idiot that knows nothing about anything etc. etc. etc.

So, basically, you're good at handicapping games.

Otherwise, nothing there is either solid - Palmer being overrated and Romo being a HOF are opinion and unfounded - or so ridiculously basic anyone with any football knowledge at all would agree.

Peyton Manning one of the greatest QB's ever?

Way to really go out on that limb, dude.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

"Tony Romo is the one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. If Dallas had a competent QB last week, they would have put up another 10-14 points. Dude is flat out taint."

My bad...you said he was ONE of the worst...

Sorry dude.

I assumed "flat out taint" meant you thought he was pretty much camp fodder.

Someone with your grasp of logic shouldn't assume anything.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:28 PM

I didn't go out on a limb...

I've been arguing he was better than Brady since 2003...since right after the no punt game against the Chiefs...

I knew then that no one had ever played the QB position as good as Peyton Manning.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Someone with your grasp of logic shouldn't assume anything.

so by one of the worst...he probably just meant one of the worst of the top 5 QB's in the NFL?

Oh ok I got it.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:30 PM

P.S. I'm going to bring this up ONE time...but I was 100% right for two straight years regarding Huard/Green and Huard/Croyle...but I don't feel like rehashing that shit anymore...a new era in KC! The Jamaal Charles/Todd Haley era featuring Matt Cassel.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

I didn't go out on a limb...

I've been arguing he was better than Brady since 2003...since right after the no punt game against the Chiefs...

I knew then that no one had ever played the QB position as good as Peyton Manning.

Dude, it's not groundbreaking. You're acting like you knowing Manning is one of the best of all time is some ****ing revelation that only you were privy to.

Gimme a break.

**RNR** · 01-04-2010, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Dude, it's not groundbreaking. You're acting like you knowing Manning is one of the best of all time is some ****ing revelation that only you were privy to.

Gimme a break.

No shit~

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

so by one of the worst...he probably just meant one of the worst of the top 5 QB's in the NFL?

Oh ok I got it.

Oh, FFS.

Please tell me you think Romo is a Top 5 QB.

PLEASE.

And FWIW, personally, I would take "one of the worst" as anyone from 16-32.

So if he can come up with 15 QB's he'd rather have than Romo, so be it.

Bottom line:

You're the only one invested in this, because everything was based on opinion, until you decided to say he would make the HOF and win a SB.

So, when that doesn't happen, are you going to claim it was just a joke, or that it was just TIC?

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Dude, it's not groundbreaking. You're acting like you knowing Manning is one of the best of all time is some ****ing revelation that only you were privy to.

Gimme a break.

Well if you don't want to acknowledge that Brady was considered by 90% of anyone with an opinion to be better than Manning just two years ago then I guess that's your prerogative...

Just know where I always stood (on the right side of the fence)...I doubt you were there...I'm sure you jumped that fence sometime this year like everyone else...

**AustinChief** · 01-04-2010, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

For me to be a hypocrite, I'd have to have supported Romo. Never did. Always thought he was a mediocre QB (or worse). Still do.

He has weapons all over the place, but he's basically Neil Lomax.

Dude that's not fair on Neil Lomax..

Roy Green? Pat Tilley? JT Smith?

Terrell Owens... Terry Glenn... Jason Witten... Ro Williams... Miles Austin...

With CRAP Lomax still put up a 4600 yard season in 1984.

Romo has yet to do that with a freaking all star lineup around him.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:35 PM

If I had to rank my QB's in terms of the best QB's in the NFL...it would go like this:

P. Manning
GAP
GAP
GAP
GAP
GAP
Brady
Brees
GAP
Roethlisberger/Romo/Rodgers/Rivers/McNabb/Warner (in no particular order)

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:36 PM

I'm sorry...

Someone please tell me how Roy Williams/Miles Austin and Jason Witten looked before the season started?

We're not going to give Romo ANY credit for the emergence of Miles Austin?

Haha.

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $760478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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01-04-2010, 02:28 PM	#501
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I didn't go out on a limb... I've been arguing he was better than Brady since 2003...since right after the no punt game against the Chiefs... I knew then that no one had ever played the QB position as good as Peyton Manning.
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01-04-2010, 02:30 PM	#503
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	P.S. I'm going to bring this up ONE time...but I was 100% right for two straight years regarding Huard/Green and Huard/Croyle...but I don't feel like rehashing that shit anymore...a new era in KC! The Jamaal Charles/Todd Haley era featuring Matt Cassel.
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01-04-2010, 02:35 PM	#509
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	If I had to rank my QB's in terms of the best QB's in the NFL...it would go like this: P. Manning GAP GAP GAP GAP GAP Brady Brees GAP Roethlisberger/Romo/Rodgers/Rivers/McNabb/Warner (in no particular order)
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01-04-2010, 02:36 PM	#510
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I'm sorry... Someone please tell me how Roy Williams/Miles Austin and Jason Witten looked before the season started? We're not going to give Romo ANY credit for the emergence of Miles Austin? Haha.
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