Chiefs release KeiVarae Russell

[RunKC]

Rand Gettlin-I'm told the #Chiefs have released defensive back KeiVarae Russell. Special teams numbers game. Super talented player. Likely to be claimed.

WOW

[RunKC]

Not to send this thread another way, but while watching the Chiefs game and looking at Ford, one thing was abundantly clear: Gaines looked very good.

The guy has the best cover ability on the team. It seems like the staff really trusts him bc he made tackles he didn't make before and was staying with Benjamin.
Seth Keysor is breaking him down form anyone who wants to see. He's got gifs up.

Nelson was not bad, but he wasn't good either. He gave up a few catches but didn't give up YAC. hes harder to evaluate as a lot of people think he's a JAG.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by jettio

Maybe the stress fracture he had in his leg is not really healed. I would think he could be IR if that was the case but maybe he just does not move like he did before.

Oh, good point. That's a sixth potential reason per my earlier post.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not to send this thread another way, but while watching the Chiefs game and looking at Ford, one thing was abundantly clear: Gaines looked very good.

The guy has the best cover ability on the team. It seems like the staff really trusts him bc he made tackles he didn't make before and was staying with Benjamin.
Seth Keysor is breaking him down form anyone who wants to see. He's got gifs up.

Nelson was not bad, but he wasn't good either. He gave up a few catches but didn't give up YAC. hes harder to evaluate as a lot of people think he's a JAG.

I remember being really impressed with Gaines before the injury last year. If he's back to 100 percent, I think he's pretty darn good.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not to send this thread another way, but while watching the Chiefs game and looking at Ford, one thing was abundantly clear: Gaines looked very good.

The guy has the best cover ability on the team. It seems like the staff really trusts him bc he made tackles he didn't make before and was staying with Benjamin.
Seth Keysor is breaking him down form anyone who wants to see. He's got gifs up.

Nelson was not bad, but he wasn't good either. He gave up a few catches but didn't give up YAC. hes harder to evaluate as a lot of people think he's a JAG.

Nelson, whether scheme or what-have-you, was giving a lot of cushion. Did come up and help on a crucial screen pass.

I've also never had to find Keysor's stuff on my own. Where would I find that?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not to send this thread another way, but while watching the Chiefs game and looking at Ford, one thing was abundantly clear: Gaines looked very good.

The guy has the best cover ability on the team. It seems like the staff really trusts him bc he made tackles he didn't make before and was staying with Benjamin.
Seth Keysor is breaking him down form anyone who wants to see. He's got gifs up.

Nelson was not bad, but he wasn't good either. He gave up a few catches but didn't give up YAC. hes harder to evaluate as a lot of people think he's a JAG.

IF Peters and Gaines are good, Nelson doesn't need to be phenomenal with Parker and Berry behind them.

Well, once they both find their sea legs.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not to send this thread another way, but while watching the Chiefs game and looking at Ford, one thing was abundantly clear: Gaines looked very good.

The guy has the best cover ability on the team. It seems like the staff really trusts him bc he made tackles he didn't make before and was staying with Benjamin.
Seth Keysor is breaking him down form anyone who wants to see. He's got gifs up.

Nelson was not bad, but he wasn't good either. He gave up a few catches but didn't give up YAC. hes harder to evaluate as a lot of people think he's a JAG.

Just saw that. Gaines is going to be really good if he can stay healthy. I agree with Seth that he's the better cover corner in comparison to Peters.

You should make a thread with those clips. I'd do it, but I don't know how to embed.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by CapsLockKey

Sure if you go into the way back time machine tall receivers dominated, but more recent history shows speed and athleticism is redefining the position. Seeing a lot more Randall Cobbs and Desean Jacksons making an impact in the league. Elite speed is trumping height. The guys who have both are pretty rare.

You read as well as the rest. I said UNDER 5'10". And I'm correct.

Receiver's under 5'10" rarely produce much in this league, they never have, and I'll use last year's stats to show that they don't.

Of the 193 receivers that caught a pass in 2015, only 19 were under 5'10" (that is 5'9" or shorter), or 9.8% of the league.

Of those 19, only one receiver posted over 700 yards, and that was TY Hilton (5'9") who came in 15th in the league with 69 catches for 1,124 yards and 5 TDs. The next closest was the ageless Steve Smith (5'9"), who posted 46 receptions for 670 yards and 3 TDs, good for 47th in the NFL.

Two more receivers would post 500 yard seasons in this club: Jamison Crowder (53rd, 59 rec. 604 yds, 2 TD) and Cole Beasley (58th, 52 rec. 536 yds, 5 TD).

Two would produce 400 yard seasons: Tavon Austin (72nd, 52 rec. 473 yds, 5 TD) and Albert Wilson (77th, 35 rec. 451 yds, 2 TD).

Only one would produce a 300 yards season, Lance Moore (91st, 29 rec. 337 yds, 4 TDs).

Two more would go over 200 yards on the season, Andrew Hawkins (99th, 27 rec. 276 yds, 0 TD) and Taylor Gabriel (105th, 28 rec. 241 yds, 0 TD)

Bruce Ellington, Jeremy Kerley, De'Anthony Thomas, and Wes Welker all would break 100 yards (woohoo!).

The remainder (Michael Campanaro, Marquise Goodwin, Lucky Whitehead, Mario Alford, Chandler Worthy, and Eric Weems) would all make statistically insignificant contributions (maxing out at 5 rec. for 35 yards).

So those of you that want to say that 5'10" should not be the benchmark can kiss my ****ing fat ass. Unless you consider a 3% chance of producing any significant yardage a good thing (and I'm being nice posting the cutoff at 400 yards for "significant.") It's hard enough for a guy under 5'10" just to make an NFL roster.

Edit:

For a bit more... here's some stats

Receivers by Height

% of NFL with a Reception 2015

Under 5'10" - 19/193 (9.8%)
5'10" - 20/193 (10.4%)
5'11" - 22/193 (11.4%)
6'0" - 37/193 (19.2%)
6'1" - 21/193 (10.9%)
6'2" - 32/193 (16.6%)
6'3" - 22/193 (11.4%)
6'4" - 12/193 (6.2%)
6'5" and Over 8/193 (4.1%)

Significant Contribution by Height (400+ Yards)

Under 5'10" - 6/19 (31.6%)
5'10" - 11/20 (55.0%)
5'11" - 9/22 (40.9%)
6'0" - 11/37 (29.7%)
6'1" - 11/21 (52.4%)
6'2" - 11/32 (34.4%)
6'3" - 13/22 (59.1%)
6'4" - 6/12 (50.0%)
6'5" and Over - 6/8 (75.0%)

Total Contributions by Height (81,606 total NFL yards)

Under 5'10" - 5,374 (6.6%)
5'10" - 11,281 (13.8%)
5'11" - 10,079 (12.4%)
6'0" - 10,730 (13.1%)
6'1" - 9,905 (12.1%)
6'2" - 10,518 (12.9%)
6'3" - 13,467 (16.5%)
6'4" - 5,970 (7.3%)
6'5" and Over - 4,282 (5.2%)


Your sweet spot really is 5'10" to 6'3", as we've known, forever.

[scho63]

35 pages in a thread for a guy who was released?!?!?! WOW

[bricks]

Originally Posted by scho63

35 pages in a thread for a guy who was released?!?!?! WOW

Is it good to say, crapshoot?

[BossChief]

What facts do we know?

He was suspended for a year in college for acedemics.
He was quoted as saying he was having trouble with even learning the verbiage of the defense.
He was one of the last draft picks to sign a contract.
He got to practice after the first 2-3 installs had been done.

To me, it seems like the guy is just plain stupid, unfortunately...and probably thinks he should be starting...hopefully he clears waivers and we can put his ass on the PS for a year so he can learn the stuff he should have learned after signing a slotted deal as a third rounder, but I doubt he clears.

The league needs more CBs and he will be given a shot somewhere.

[bricks]

Originally Posted by BossChief

What facts do we know?

He was suspended for a year in college for acedemics.
He was quoted as saying he was having trouble with even learning the verbiage of the defense.
He was one of the last draft picks to sign a contract.
He got to practice after the first 2-3 installs had been done.

To me, it seems like the guy is just plain stupid, unfortunately...and probably thinks he should be starting...hopefully he clears waivers and we can put his ass on the PS for a year so he can learn the stuff he should have learned after signing a slotted deal as a third rounder, but I doubt he clears.

The league needs more CBs and he will be given a shot somewhere.

Sounds like he is either stupid or slow

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

What facts do we know?

He was suspended for a year in college for acedemics.
He was quoted as saying he was having trouble with even learning the verbiage of the defense.
He was one of the last draft picks to sign a contract.
He got to practice after the first 2-3 installs had been done.

To me, it seems like the guy is just plain stupid, unfortunately...and probably thinks he should be starting...hopefully he clears waivers and we can put his ass on the PS for a year so he can learn the stuff he should have learned after signing a slotted deal as a third rounder, but I doubt he clears.

The league needs more CBs and he will be given a shot somewhere.

I linked an article from Paylor stating that Russell didn't miss a single offseason practice due to his contract situation.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I can't even begin to describe how pissed I would be if they brought Talib onto this team. So apparently we just have different perspectives.

Likewise, but that's not the point I'm making.

It has nothing to do with fan perception, it's teammates/staff. Teams put up with his shit because he produces. I don't want him on this team, but if he were acquired and played well, 'team leaders' wouldn't be looking to run him out of town regardless of how big a jackass he is.

Because football players put up with a whole slew of dipshittery. Hell, they've all played for 10 years and there's no better fountain of dipshittery than football coaches, regardless of level. Christ alive, the amount of horseshit you'll hear out of your average football coach is just laughable.

They develop pretty thick skin. That is, unless they start thinking they're above having to deal with it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Dorsey has been doing this for decades and I highly doubt he got swindled. A player drafted that high being cut so soon is not a good thing. It's not horrible, especially if White steps up, but it is a bad look for any GM to do this.

if this happened to the Broncos or Raiders, we'd all be laughing at them calling them morons.

Exactly.

I'm pretty sure folks wouldn't be lining up to wash Elways balls for "recognizing a mistake and cutting bait early".

This is a knee-jerk move. I really hope it was a brilliantly calculated one where Dorsey was sure he could get the guy on the practice squad and wanted to knock him down a peg. We'll find out by about 5p this afternoon.

I'll still think it was too risky. The Cardinals did something similar with Aledmys Diaz last July to get a JAG on the roster for 10 days; it was remarkably stupid but they got lucky and nobody picked Diaz up. This year he was an All-Star as a rookie and may well be the best player on the team. All it woul've taken was one GM to decide that he was worth a million dollar gamble and a spot on the 40 man to make the Cardinals look extraordinarily stupid.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

**** off, twat.

I called him out weeks ago and said he should have been cut.

Where the **** have you been?

So you're not going to correct the record at all?

Because about 5 posts later you said he shouldn't be cut. Even you, the most vocal Russell detractor around, took a step back and said "woah, maybe cutting a 3rd rounder with those measurables this early isn't such a great idea afterall".

I mean, I can go grab the quote if you'd like, but you know that's how it went. You walked yourself back a fair amount there.