Chiefs Let's talk about the ****ing Bills. - Page 37

Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 08:19 PM

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

KC_Connection · 11-08-2014, 12:43 AM

If the Chiefs don't win this game, it will be because they didn't play up to their capabilities (which is a definite possibility at the Ralph, I admit).

While Buffalo has a great defense, they also have a horrible offense and that's probably the biggest difference between these two teams.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-08-2014, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

If the Chiefs don't win this game, it will be because they didn't play up to their capabilities (which is a definite possibility at the Ralph, I admit).

While Buffalo has a great defense, they also have a horrible offense and that's probably the biggest difference between these two teams.

The Chiefs players will have to give a Titans-like game effort with a San Francisco-like coached game plan in order to lose this game.

It's definitely a test for all involved.

Mother****erJones · 11-08-2014, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs players will have to give a Titans-like game effort with a San Francisco-like coached game plan in order to lose this game.

It's definitely a test for all involved.

And I don't see that. This team has been playing too well and focused to just lay an egg.

Direckshun · 11-08-2014, 12:51 AM

I don't see them laying an egg either.

I do see them struggling immensely with the Bills DL.

Mother****erJones · 11-08-2014, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I don't see them laying an egg either.

I do see them struggling immensely with the Bills DL.

I can see that. But we game planned well for the Jets DL. I believe we'll do the same. Now can they execute? We'll see.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-08-2014, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I don't see them laying an egg either.

I do see them struggling immensely with the Bills DL.

Like they did with the "immensely talented" Jet DL?

Or the "immensely talented" Rams DL?

Direckshun · 11-08-2014, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Like they did with the "immensely talented" Jet DL?

Or the "immensely talented" Rams DL?

Bills DL is better. They've got the best DT combo in the league, and two high quality passrushers on the outside.

Jets had two monstrous 3-4 DEs, a sturdy NT, and no outside rushing talent.

The Jets also had a piss poor secondary.

The Bills back seven is above average.

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Like they did with the "immensely talented" Jet DL?

Or the "immensely talented" Rams DL?

Well, they did struggle against the Rams, took care of the Jets though.

Donald was raping faces.

Aaron Donald is unstoppable. Really. #STLvsKC #Rams http://t.co/rFhm0e1eSj
— Daniel Doelling (@Daniel_Doelling) October 26, 2014

KC_Connection · 11-08-2014, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs players will have to give a Titans-like game effort with a San Francisco-like coached game plan in order to lose this game.

It's definitely a test for all involved.

I do worry about Andy Reid making some crucial game or time management error again. This one will likely be close.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-08-2014, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Well, they did struggle against the Rams, took care of the Jets though.

Donald was raping faces.

Yeah, if the NFL gave seven points for every "raped face", the Chiefs may have only won by 20.

Direckshun · 11-08-2014, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, if the NFL gave seven points for every "raped face", the Chiefs may have only won by 20.

The point is, the Bills have two Aaron Donalds, with quality passrushers on the outside.

This idea you have that the Chiefs should be snoring through this one is dramatically mistaken.

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

The point is, the Bills have two Aaron Donalds, with quality passrushers on the outside.

This idea you have that the Chiefs should be snoring through this one is dramatically mistaken.

No, they don't have Donald, he is the best interior pass rusher in the league right now. But they do have a pair that are on par with the Wilkerson and Richardson combo.

What makes matters worse is that they also have two of the top edge guys in the league in Williams and Hughes.

Direckshun · 11-08-2014, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

No, they don't have Donald, he is the best interior pass rusher in the league right now. But they do have a pair that are on par with the Wilkerson and Richardson combo.

What makes matters worse is that they also have two of the top edge guys in the league in Williams and Hughes.

Dareus is 320 lbs and has seven sacks up the gut.

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Dareus is 320 lbs and has seven sacks up the gut.

So did Tommy Kelly at one point. But none of those guys have the speed or quickness that Donald had, no one in the league does.

5 of Dareus' 6 sacks came in 2 games, Detroit and Minnesota. He is still a very good player but he isn't quite the beast in the middle that you are making him out to be. Frankly, I'm more worried about Kyle Williams; when healthy, he is truly one of the best all-around DTs in the league.

Direckshun · 11-08-2014, 04:21 AM

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2014...w-if-hell-play

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Watkins doesn't know if he'll play

I'm loving it.

11-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2083447	Let's talk about the ing Bills. This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate. The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ***ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost* as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye. What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What?? I'll tell you what happened. Kyle **ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous. Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success: The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success. He is still Kyle Orton. That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone. He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown. After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-ing-diculous speedster. At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright. I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us. So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3. This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst. I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady. Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps. Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none. This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better. Let's win this **ing game.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2083447	I don't see them laying an egg either. I do see them struggling immensely with the Bills DL.
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